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Subject: [Leica] Leica S R strategy with Panda DMR
From: philippe.amard at tele2.fr (Philippe AMARD)
Date: Sun Oct 19 14:28:05 2008
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Lottermoser George wrote:

> While the next digital R
> may turn out
> financially out of reach
> for many of us;
> so seem the highest end
> Hasselblad, Sinar, Canon and Nikon
> today.
>
George, my friend
sorry for me to say, but these are on the shelves.
Not the R10, and even less R11 which is plain stupid from them to 
announce right now.
For the photographer, an L1 in the hand is well worth an R10 and 11 in 
the blue print.
Amiti?s
Philippe

> The fact that there is so much very good gear
> available at every price point, sensor size and type, etc.
> seems to make these cost issues moot.



> In the end, I'm happy
> to have and use the Leica gear I have
> 99 percent of which I bought used
>
> I hope that their strategy
> continues to produce at the highest level of quality
> optically, mechanically, ergonomically and electronically
> and that I can continue to find
> relatively affordable used examples;
> as needed (or wanted).
> Even if it means 40 or 50 year old examples
>
> as an example of the Leica R strategy
> that has worked for me
> right up to this very minute
> I present my DMR with 135mm Elmar M (Panda like):
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/imagist/visualize/L1003951.jpg.html>
> which produces images with a gorgeous visual signature.
>
> Fond regards,
> George
>
> george@imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Lottermoser George wrote:
>>
>>> I find it difficult to understand,
>>> given that you have an M8
>>> current and vintage Leica lenses
>>> all of which have been
>>> at the top of their quality and price class,
>>> how Leica strategy,
>>> essentially the same as it has always been,
>>> will have nothing to do with you.
>>
>>
>> it's simply that this is their slr strategy George...(I use  
>> R's...was waiting for the R digital)
>>
>> as it's their ultimate R plan, and includes the realistic  
>> expectation that it will take a couple more years, and the end  
>> result will be most likely untouchable financially ...
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> I can understand that,
>>> if you've made the decision
>>> to simply use what you have
>>> for the rest of your natural life.
>>> If that is the case
>>> what conceivable Leica strategy
>>> would feel inclusive to you?
>>>
>>> However, others, who have yet to decide
>>> to move, seriously, into photography
>>> (as we all did at some point)
>>> will choose the highest quality, for their needs
>>> whatever system that may mean;
>>> including, possibly, Leica M, R or S systems.
>>>
>>> Fond regards,
>>> George
>>>
>>> george@imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>
>>>> But regarding equipment, as stated, I am sad that the strategy  
>>>> that Leica is following will have nothing to do with me. While it  
>>>> may work, it is very risky, especially in this tough  international 
>>>> economic climate, and it may well be a rocky road  to disaster for 
>>>> the company.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that the S system, and quite possibly the R system too,  
>>>> will be too rich for me,  perhaps for many of us...
>>>>
>>>> so I find it prohibitive, even nonsensical, and the world  
>>>> financial realities won't help it...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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