Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2019/04/02

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Subject: [Leica] New Leica!
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 15:36:34 -0400
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In the film days I seldom cropped and printed full frame black border like 
most serious photographers I knew. We filed out our negative carriers till 
Omega started making them that way.
If you cropped at all it meant you lost your black border. And that print 
stood out in a stack in a big bad way. Looked flat.
The Magnum photographers pushed the crop with your eye not with your 
enlarger thing it was a big deal for them.
Henry Cartier Bresson had quotes on it. The sacredness of what the eye first 
sees needing to be respected and so on.
But we all knew it was the really about the thin black borders around the 
images. No one wanted a print without them in their book or stack.
Photographer Richard Kalvar showed his tray at a LHSA meeting in Solms in 
September 2006 and gave us the never crop your pictures blurbs which shocked 
me because I thought those days had past . He ran Magnum for a while I think 
I read. I went up to him afterwards and asked him about it and was lacking 
charm department. He was less than amused.
With digital all that full frame no crop stuff has gone by the wayside along 
with the black borders and printing itself.
Photogs now crop like a sun of a gun.  Especially when the sun is out and 
our iso is rock bottom giving us zero noise and high rez. We also correct 
our perspective like crazy too. 
Why? Because we can!
And a bunch of other stuff.

 
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 4/2/19, 10:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of Steve Barbour via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

    The "No-Croppers? will not buy it.
    
    Steve
    
    > On Apr 2, 2019, at 6:56 AM, CartersXRd via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:
    > 
    > The Q2 will will present an interessting artistic quandry of those who 
refuse to crop the sacred 3:2 format.
    > 
    > Will throwing the switch from 28 to 35 or 50 or 75 be a sinful crop, 
or present a whole new holy rectangle?
    > 
    > ric
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 7:52 AM, Howard Ritter via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:
    >> 
    >> For me, digital zoom is a bit like an automatic transmission (or a 
point-and-shoot function in a camera). It accomplishes one thing, a center 
crop of fixed size, effortlessly. If you can work a clutch and shift stick 
in your favorite image-processing program, you can have a crop centered 
anywhere, of any size, of any dimensions. And you get to work in 
raw/png/dng/tiff rather than jpeg.
    >> 
    >> I frankly, no pun intended, don?t see the allure. Except maybe that 
the VF crops the view as well as the sensor.
    >> 
    >> 
    >> ?howard
    >> 
    >>> On Apr1, 2019, at 1432, Frank Filippone via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> The new Leica Q2 has the following specs....
    >>> 24x36 full frame sensor
    >>> Sensor has resolution of 47.3MP
    >>> Summilux 28 mm f/1.7 ASPH fixed, non-zoom, and non-interchangeable 
lens
    >>> OLED viewfinder has a resolution of 3.68 megapixels  ( no optical RF 
or VF)
    >>> 
    >>> Internal cropping ( now referred to as "digital zoom") of this lens 
allows for the following fixed equivalent Fl and resolutions.....  BUT for 
JPG files ONLY!!
    >>> Zoom 28 mm: 47 megapixels (8368x5584 pixels), 24 megapixels 
(6000x4000 pixels), 12 megapixels (4271x2848 pixels). 3 different 
resolutions, I guess dependent on JPG compression ratios.....
    >>> Zoom 35 mm: 30 megapixels (6704x4472 pixels), 15 megapixels 
(4800x3200 pixels), 8 megapixels (3424x2288 pixels)
    >>> Zoom 50 mm: 15 megapixels (4688x3128 pixels), 8 megapixels 
(3360x2240 pixels), 4 megapixels (2400x1600 pixels)
    >>> Zoom 75 mm: 7 megapixels (3136x2096 pixels), 3 megapixels (2240x1496 
pixels), 2 megapixels (1600x1072 pixels)
    >>> 
    >>> DNG:  RAW files of 47.3MP  No Zoom at all.  Crop in your choice of 
LR, or other.....
    >>> 
    >>> As long as you are happy to shoot JPG files, this is a fine set of 
specs.
    >>> If you wish to shoot RAW images, not as much.... but you o get to 
crop in your own HxW ratios and specific areas to crop.
    >>> 
    >>> If they would simply put a M mount on the camera, forget the AF, and 
focus the camera on the Digi-M functions, it would be a fine camera for me.
    >>> 
    >>> Frank Filippone
    >>> 
    >>> Red735i at verizon.net
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>> 
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