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Subject: [Leica] The "problem" with the M9
From: lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (lluisripollphotography)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 19:36:51 +0100
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Steve,

Thank you for your advice, I?m not expert doing such things and I have to 
invest too much time in a picture that in my opinion could be nice, but just 
this, nothing else, no story, no decisive moment, no communication? in other 
words, I think I would never pick this one for an exhibition?.

Amiti?s
Lluis



> El 2 gen 2017, a les 19:27, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> va 
> escriure:
> 
> please consider remove all color except the cigarette, and have a look, ie 
> no color in  hat, coat, lipstick, phone, nails etc 
> 
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> steve
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>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:42 AM, lluisripollphotography 
>>> <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for all your comments, I agree with Gerry too and I have to 
>>> add that after that I have the Monochrom, when I take the M9 it is 
>>> generally because I want to do color, I remember when I?ve saw this Lady 
>>> smoking with her red jacket this made a nice color composition and as 
>>> Steve has pointed the cigarette was a important element to consider. But 
>>> as you know, I can?t resist the B&W and once I have converted it I?ve 
>>> liked it too, but on this case color would be my choice.
>> 
>> 
>> the color of the burning cigarette is so distinct and lifelike, otherwise 
>> the dress adds nothing, and is actually counterproductive, ideally I 
>> would prefer (if I could do it, remove all color except that of the 
>> cigarette, someone else -if Lluis says it?s ok).
>> 
>> steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I will take a look again following the Bob?s comments, thank you Bob!
>>> 
>>> I also agree Jayanand, on that day I was visualizing in color but I have 
>>> converted some pictures because the tinct across the image was awful 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Lluis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> El 2 gen 2017, a les 18:08, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> 
>>>> va escriure:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Tina, John and Steve.
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 17:07, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> +1!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 12:04 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> You know the obvious answer Gerry........ I usually leave the house 
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>> Monochrom as well as my M(240) ;-)  I agree with what you say and 
>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>> take the same shot with both cameras as each have their strengths.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> john
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am sorry to come back on this, but I believe that the photographer
>>>>>> should make a decision by pre-visualisation of how the final image 
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> look. Although this may may be a split-second decision based on 
>>>>>> intuition
>>>>>> and experience that decision is important. If you shoot in b&w you 
>>>>>> shoot
>>>>>> for the composition of light and dark, highlights and shadows whereas 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you shoot in colour you shoot for the interplay of the colours of the 
>>>>>> image
>>>>>> and the way the balance together. This is a decision that cannot be
>>>>>> realistically made afterwards as the two images/decisions are 
>>>>>> different. If
>>>>>> you make the dcision afterwards it will never be as good as the
>>>>>> pre-visualisation that should have been done before.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 13:46, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ever since I switched to digital I have had problems with some images
>>>>>> deciding whether it is a ?colour? image or a ?mono? image. It was 
>>>>>> easier in
>>>>>> my opinion when you carried two cameras, and you made the decision at 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> point of pressing the button, and then you had decided. It was a 
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> made at that moment, in that mood, at (to quote HC-B) the point when 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> heart, the eye and the mind come together. There is no better time to
>>>>>> decide because never again will those three factors coincide. I am 
>>>>>> afraid
>>>>>> that the decision on which of these two images is purely yours to make
>>>>>> because neither is better or worse than the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wish you luck with your decision,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 01:51, lluisripollphotography <
>>>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Day I went to shoot ?Giving Smiles? I?ve carried the M9, it 
>>>>>>>> poses
>>>>>> sometimes a problem to decide if color or B&W?.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Evening in La Rambla
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Leica M9, Summilux 75 wide open
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>>>> 20161221_L1013236+1.jpg.html>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>>>> 20161221_L1013236.jpg.html>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tina Manley
>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
>>>>> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html
>>>>> 
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