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Subject: [Leica] The "problem" with the M9
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 10:27:22 -0800
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please consider remove all color except the cigarette, and have a look, ie 
no color in  hat, coat, lipstick, phone, nails etc 









steve



> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:42 AM, lluisripollphotography 
>> <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for all your comments, I agree with Gerry too and I have to add 
>> that after that I have the Monochrom, when I take the M9 it is generally 
>> because I want to do color, I remember when I?ve saw this Lady smoking 
>> with her red jacket this made a nice color composition and as Steve has 
>> pointed the cigarette was a important element to consider. But as you 
>> know, I can?t resist the B&W and once I have converted it I?ve liked it 
>> too, but on this case color would be my choice.
> 
> 
> the color of the burning cigarette is so distinct and lifelike, otherwise 
> the dress adds nothing, and is actually counterproductive, ideally I would 
> prefer (if I could do it, remove all color except that of the cigarette, 
> someone else -if Lluis says it?s ok).
> 
> steve
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> I will take a look again following the Bob?s comments, thank you Bob!
>> 
>> I also agree Jayanand, on that day I was visualizing in color but I have 
>> converted some pictures because the tinct across the image was awful 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 2 gen 2017, a les 18:08, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> va 
>>> escriure:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Tina, John and Steve.
>>> 
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 17:07, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> +1!
>>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 12:04 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You know the obvious answer Gerry........ I usually leave the house 
>>>>> with a
>>>>> Monochrom as well as my M(240) ;-)  I agree with what you say and 
>>>>> rarely
>>>>> take the same shot with both cameras as each have their strengths.
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry to come back on this, but I believe that the photographer
>>>>> should make a decision by pre-visualisation of how the final image 
>>>>> should
>>>>> look. Although this may may be a split-second decision based on 
>>>>> intuition
>>>>> and experience that decision is important. If you shoot in b&w you 
>>>>> shoot
>>>>> for the composition of light and dark, highlights and shadows whereas 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you shoot in colour you shoot for the interplay of the colours of the 
>>>>> image
>>>>> and the way the balance together. This is a decision that cannot be
>>>>> realistically made afterwards as the two images/decisions are 
>>>>> different. If
>>>>> you make the dcision afterwards it will never be as good as the
>>>>> pre-visualisation that should have been done before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 13:46, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ever since I switched to digital I have had problems with some images
>>>>> deciding whether it is a ?colour? image or a ?mono? image. It was 
>>>>> easier in
>>>>> my opinion when you carried two cameras, and you made the decision at 
>>>>> the
>>>>> point of pressing the button, and then you had decided. It was a 
>>>>> decision
>>>>> made at that moment, in that mood, at (to quote HC-B) the point when 
>>>>> the
>>>>> heart, the eye and the mind come together. There is no better time to
>>>>> decide because never again will those three factors coincide. I am 
>>>>> afraid
>>>>> that the decision on which of these two images is purely yours to make
>>>>> because neither is better or worse than the other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish you luck with your decision,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 Jan 2017, at 01:51, lluisripollphotography <
>>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Day I went to shoot ?Giving Smiles? I?ve carried the M9, it poses
>>>>> sometimes a problem to decide if color or B&W?.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Evening in La Rambla
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Leica M9, Summilux 75 wide open
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>>> 20161221_L1013236+1.jpg.html>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/
>>>>> 20161221_L1013236.jpg.html>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tina Manley
>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
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