Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Very rare model indeed - the seller says it also has built-in flash and video! Also "high ISO sensitivity (up to 2500)" WOW!! Cheers Douglas On 02.06.2016 22:25, Douglas Barry wrote: > It's worth it just to get the free delivery, and wear > it on Faubourg Saint-Honore.... > > D > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe" > <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question - from > the Leica Website > > > This one is still active > http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz > :-) > Ph > > > Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:41, Nathan Wajsman > <photo at frozenlight.eu> a ?crit : > >> Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica?s web >> site. Anyway, the listing of the M9 I was thinking >> of has disappeared from the Facebook Leica >> Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway. >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols >>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>> >>> Nathan, >>> >>> From what I have read, there is no crossover date. >>> Somewhere around January 2016 they started using >>> the improved sensor cover, but were also still >>> using some of the older covers. It is implied, no, >>> I have not seen it written, that the factory made >>> the firmware update when they installed the newer >>> sensor system. >>> >>> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not >>> available for download. I have no way of knowing >>> about this point. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> >>> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware >>>> version indicate the sensor? What if I have an M9 >>>> with the original sensor and just update the >>>> firmware myself? >>>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go >>>> by date of replacement. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>> Cycling: >>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>> YNWA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols >>>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Douglas, >>>>> >>>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best >>>>> clue is the Firmware number. Apparently, if the >>>>> new corrosion-less sensor is installed, they >>>>> update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous >>>>> version, for the earlier sensor, is 1.202. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> >>>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>>>>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>>>>> >>>>>> // >>>>>> >>>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have >>>>>> successfully completed development on our new >>>>>> generation of CCD sensors and conducted >>>>>> subsequent quality assurance testing under >>>>>> practical conditions. As a result, Leica Camera >>>>>> AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the >>>>>> M9, M9-P and M-E models that were affected by >>>>>> corrosion with sensors from the new generation./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will >>>>>> also begin shortly. We will inform you of the >>>>>> precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our >>>>>> customers that we can only offer replacements >>>>>> for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is >>>>>> not possible./ >>>>>> >>>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your >>>>>> loyalty to the Leica brand."/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when >>>>>> the "new generation" replacements are being >>>>>> installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must >>>>>> have been with older generation sensors. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Douglas >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A search turned up this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am >>>>>>>> basing my statements on Peter Klein?s post. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: >>>>>>>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>> Cycling: >>>>>>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry >>>>>>>>> <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a >>>>>>>>> Google search has failed to clarify this. >>>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was >>>>>>>>> date critical. The private one near me here >>>>>>>>> in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 months >>>>>>>>> ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I >>>>>>>>> just might make him an offer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan >>>>>>>>> Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story >>>>>>>>>> is not that simple?not only do I need to >>>>>>>>>> know whether the sensor has been replaced >>>>>>>>>> but also whether it has been replaced with >>>>>>>>>> the old one or the new one. I have asked the >>>>>>>>>> seller when the replacement got done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the >>>>>>>>>> hassle of sending a camera to Germany and >>>>>>>>>> then waiting for who knows how long. My >>>>>>>>>> previous experience sending my M8 for repair >>>>>>>>>> back in 2009 or 10 was not that great. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>>> http:// >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>>> Cycling: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 >>>>>>>>>>> 2016 <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the >>>>>>>>>>> sensor replaced, if I could determine the >>>>>>>>>>> replacement is required. Then I would send >>>>>>>>>>> it in for sensor replacement, getting the >>>>>>>>>>> complete camera checked out and adjusted >>>>>>>>>>> for free. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a >>>>>>>>>>> non-current digicam is silly. You are >>>>>>>>>>> buying old technology. Not as good. My >>>>>>>>>>> argument is that if it does the job you >>>>>>>>>>> want, when you buy it, the age of the >>>>>>>>>>> technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be >>>>>>>>>>> reliable and a great back end for Leica glass. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices >>>>>>>>>>> come down to a level that I am prepared to >>>>>>>>>>> pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week >>>>>>>>>>> I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and >>>>>>>>>>> $2200, respectively. The one I saw this >>>>>>>>>>> morning has had the sensor replaced. Those >>>>>>>>>>> prices are within my range, but I now have >>>>>>>>>>> doubts about reliability. Clearly, buying >>>>>>>>>>> an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement >>>>>>>>>>> is out of the question; but in case one has >>>>>>>>>>> had it, is the new sensor reliable?or is it >>>>>>>>>>> just a matter of time before it starts >>>>>>>>>>> rotting just like the original one did? And >>>>>>>>>>> are there other reliability issues besides >>>>>>>>>>> the sensor? 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