Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica?s web site. Anyway, the listing of the M9 I was thinking of has disappeared from the Facebook Leica Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway. Cheers, Nathan Nathan Wajsman Alicante, Spain http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> YNWA > On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > > Nathan, > > From what I have read, there is no crossover date. Somewhere around > January 2016 they started using the improved sensor cover, but were also > still using some of the older covers. It is implied, no, I have not seen > it written, that the factory made the firmware update when they installed > the newer sensor system. > > John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not available for download. I > have no way of knowing about this point. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > > On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the >> sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update the >> firmware myself? >> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of replacement. >> >> Cheers, >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>> >>> Douglas, >>> >>> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware >>> number. Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, they >>> update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous version, for the earlier >>> sensor, is 1.202. >>> >>> Jim Nichols >>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>> >>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>>> >>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>>> >>>> >>>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>>> >>>> // >>>> >>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully completed >>>> development on our new generation of CCD sensors and conducted >>>> subsequent quality assurance testing under practical conditions. As a >>>> result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the M9, >>>> M9-P and M-E models that were affected by corrosion with sensors from >>>> the new generation./ >>>> >>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. We >>>> will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>>> >>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can only >>>> offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./ >>>> >>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica >>>> brand."/ >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when the "new generation" >>>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older >>>> generation sensors. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Douglas >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>>> >>>>> A search turned up this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> >>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my statements >>>>>> on Peter Klein?s post. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>> YNWA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has >>>>>>> failed to clarify this. >>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The >>>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 months >>>>>>> ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might make him an >>>>>>> offer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at >>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that simple?not >>>>>>>> only do I need to know whether the sensor has been replaced but >>>>>>>> also whether it has been replaced with the old one or the new one. >>>>>>>> I have asked the seller when the replacement got done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a camera >>>>>>>> to Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My previous >>>>>>>> experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 was not that >>>>>>>> great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 <red735i at >>>>>>>>> verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I >>>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send it >>>>>>>>> in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera checked out >>>>>>>>> and adjusted for free. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is >>>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument is >>>>>>>>> that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age of the >>>>>>>>> technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back end >>>>>>>>> for Leica glass. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level >>>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week >>>>>>>>> I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, respectively. The >>>>>>>>> one I saw this morning has had the sensor replaced. Those prices >>>>>>>>> are within my range, but I now have doubts about reliability. >>>>>>>>> Clearly, buying an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement is out >>>>>>>>> of the question; but in case one has had it, is the new sensor >>>>>>>>> reliable?or is it just a matter of time before it starts rotting >>>>>>>>> just like the original one did? And are there other reliability >>>>>>>>> issues besides the sensor? 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