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Subject: [Leica] Process and scan to disc question
From: gerry.walden at icloud.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:38:52 +0000
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Thank you Richard. I had just checked and come to that conclusion. At the 
moment I am shooting Fuji 400CN, and I am getting very poor scans through 
Vuescan with an overall lack of contrast which looks like fogging. 
Silverfast is doing a good job.

Gerry

> On 17 Mar 2016, at 08:35, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Silverfast does not scan as Raw, only Vuescan does, IIRC.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Richard for your considered and informative answer. Now I
>> understand. I am not sure Silverfast will scan as any raw format but I 
>> will
>> carry on scanning as .tiff for now while I look at things.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 07:41, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gerry, there are two aspects of B&W scanning that you need to consider:
>>> 
>>> 1) scan as negative or positive. Some people scan as "B&W neg" and some
>>> people scan as "(RGB) positive" then invert in Photoshop or the like.
>> Some
>>> people claim that certain scanning software ALWAYS clip if you scan as
>> B&W
>>> neg (I believe NikonScan is one of them) so option 2) gives more fully
>>> tonal result.
>>> 
>>> 2) Save as Raw/DNG or TIFF/JPG. Note that TIFF is "full quality" where
>> JPG
>>> is compressed, but otherwise they are the same in this discussion.
>>> Certainly, always save as TIFF rather than JPG as you want the highest
>>> quality.
>>> 
>>> If you save as TIFF/JPG, then usually you have the scanner software
>>> applying some tone curves and such, so that the image looks pretty good
>>> already, then it's minor way in LR/PSD to get to the final image. In this
>>> regard, it's rather like having a digital camera saving the images as
>> JPG.
>>> 
>>> If you save as Raw/DNG, then the scanner software will try to maintain as
>>> much information as possible, e.g. minimal tone curves and exposure
>>> adjustments, so that it can be processed further post-scan. The downside
>> is
>>> that it takes a bit more work in LR/PSD to get to the final result. The
>>> upside is that if you improve your LR/PSD skills or if better processing
>>> software are to become available, then you can go back to the original
>>> Raw/DNG file and redo it.
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> Personally, right now I scan as B&W neg or save in TIFF format. With
>> medium
>>> format /4x5 (I rarely shoot 35mm film any more), there is so much
>>> information from those scans that I do not think it's worthwhile to use
>> the
>>> other options.
>>> 
>>> YMMV.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at 
>>> icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A number (Peter, Lluis etc) have mentioned scanning b&w as either .tiff
>> or
>>>> even .dng. I cannot see any obvious advantage to this, so could somebody
>>>> pease enlighten me. I tried a couple to .dng which was a pain in
>> Lightroom
>>>> as they came out as negatives and the sliders worked the wrong way. I am
>>>> currently scanning as .tiff but (to be honest) don?t really know why.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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