Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/03/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The physical experience only applies if you use old cameras (or old designs like Leicas). The 35mm film SLRs made from the early 1980s onward, beginning with the Canon T90 and continuing on through cameras like the Canon EOS-1, Nikon F5, F100, etc. all had the exact same computerized control layout as digital SLRs do. I just bought a used Canon EOS-1V and it handles and works identically to my Canon 5DmkII digital camera. Uusing that camera gives no difference in ?feel? from shooting digital. For me the positive for film is that black and white film still gives superior tonality to that given by digital camera color images converted to black and white. Leica sells digital cameras with monochrome sensors, though. I haven?t used one so I can?t comment on how it compares to BW film. If you?re shooting color, there is no benefit to film. My 5DmkII gives FAR better resolution than any 35mm color film, has excellent color, and doesn?t require expensive processing by out of state labs. There are currently NO pro-level photo labs left ANYWHERE in Indiana. None. My last big color film project was in 2011 when I shot 40 rolls of E-6 Fuji Provia 100F in a Hasselblad during a long trip to New Mexico. I sent them to a well-regarded lab in Chicago, it cost me over $400 for processing, and many of the films were returned to me with scratches. That was the last straw, I bought the 5DmkII soon after and have not looked back. To me, shooting film is wonderful for BW but for color is inferior to digital. I just developed my 730th roll of black and white film since moving back to Indiana in late 2007. I just bought another film SLR. I shoot a lot of film! I would not bother for color. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-437-8990 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 Become a fan on Facebook On 3/15/16, 6:46 PM, "LUG on behalf of RicCarter" <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >I?ve got film in the freezer, and several film cameras I still love. > >Now I?m looking forward to some discussion about what it is I can get >using film I cannot get using digits. > >Who wants to start the list of special positives of film use? > >I?ll nominate the physical experience: No camera feels as good in use as >my M4 and M6. > >Ric Carter > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 15, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Jacky aus <jackyaus at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Gerry, >> >> Congratulate and appreciate very much you coming back to classic world >>of >> film ?? I imagine you will experience the world of another kind in this >> digital era?.. now, perhaps, we can distinguish the wonderful >>difference or >> personal preference between digital or film options?? many years ago, we >> debate a lot here about which ways we should go for better results or >>art >> of photography ? >> >> Now, I am so glad that some photography lovers try to explore and >>reverse >> back to the film world like travelling in the time tunnel ?. >> >> My good friend, recently, spends hours and hours to scan his old films >>and >> find lots and lots of excitement in the process, not the digital, but >>the >> film images that he have taken and captured so many years ago with his >> classic camera? >> >> I hope you experience this unique world of film which the young >>generation >> never has a clue?. For some people, film has become part of photography >> history running into museum shelf ? >> >> Looking forwards to enjoy your scan outcome created by film? that may be >> why Leica is continuing its legendary vision through production of film >> camera ?. >> >> I still hope and wish that film world can survive at least in our >> generation or more?.. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jacky >> >> On 15 March 2016 at 08:09, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I plan to do my own scanning Peter. I am getting good results from my >>> Plustek so just got to get some images now! >>> >>> Gerry >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 14 Mar 2016, at 20:58, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> Try >>> http://shop.silverprint.co.uk/Fuji-Black-and-White-Film/catalogue/186/ >>>> >>>> BTW I looked at Peak Imaging who have a very high reputation, but even >>> they will >>>> only scan to JPEG, although some are very high resolution (40+MB) >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>>> On 14/03/2016 14:39, Gerry Walden wrote: >>>>> I had an interesting chat with the guy who runs the lab I will use >>>>>for >>> my b&w film processing today. We chatted about the best film to use, >>>and >>> his opinion was that Fuji Neopan 400CN is the best now. he said it is >>>easy >>> for them to process as it runs through the C41 chemistry, and scans >>> beautifully. I am currently trying to get hold of some, and chatting to >>> Fuji. I will keep you posted. >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Mar 2016, at 11:53, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here develop and scan to CD is about ?10 (?12.50) which is in >>>>>>addition >>> to film >>>>>> costs of course. Ilford charge extra. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13/03/2016 23:35, lluisripollphotography wrote: >>>>>>> Peter, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the same bad experience, once I have ordered a scanned film, >>> they gave me Tiff files but very bad scans, at this moment, except if >>>you >>> go to a high pro level the best is you scan yourself your negs and also >>> develop, here a professional developing cost some more than 10? per >>>film >>> and I?m not sure how good is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lluis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> El 13 mar? 2016, a les 23:59, Peter Dzwig >>>>>>>><pdzwig at summaventures.com> >>> va escriure: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tend to agree but if you want C-41 you are quite >>> limited...basically to >>>>>>>> Ilford, although there is some BW400CN still around on the >>>>>>>>shelves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I can inject a word of caution: watch the processing workflow. >>>>>>>>A >>> lot of these >>>>>>>> guys say that they will provide TIFFs or hi-res JPEGs. In my >>>>>>>>humble >>> experience. >>>>>>>> I have processed four films recently, two through my (formerly >>> excellent) local >>>>>>>> dev shop and two by Ilford. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Neither came back as I requested as High Res TIFFs. Both the dev >>> shop and Ilford >>>>>>>> returned scanned JPEGs. In the case of the dev shop the girls who >>> now run it >>>>>>>> didn't seem to know what a TIFF was; to them developing was just a >>> piece of >>>>>>>> workflow. Pop in the film at one end of the scanner and out pops a >>> JPEG. Trouble >>>>>>>> was that they were only 1M. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Ilford ones at least were 3. -5 M, but goodness knows what the >>> variation >>>>>>>> signifies or how the decision was made. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short you need to find someone you can trust and build that >>> relationship. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But don't let that put you off film. It is still a brilliant >>>>>>>>medium. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PS From conversations I understand that some of the processing >>> machine >>>>>>>> manufacturers no longer supply machines that will do other than >>> supply JPEGs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13/03/2016 13:31, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Gerry, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Permit me to jump in?while film selection is not as good as 20 >>> years ago, in B&W I have bought some of the same films I used back >>>before >>> going digital, such as Tri-X, Fuji Acros, and the Ilford films. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws < >>> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ < >>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator < >>> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 10:01, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at >>>>>>>>>> icloud.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lluis >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your comments are of great interest. Now I have made the >>>>>>>>>>decision >>> to shoot film again for some of my work I cannot wait to get started. >>>I am >>> a little out of touch with modern films, so which do you use? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 02:15, lluisripollphotography < >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good new Gerry! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I?m shooting again film too, I have several films to develop, >>>>>>>>>>>I?m >>> a little disappointed with all these problems with sensors etc? , I >>>have >>> followed the comments on the LFI about the sensor problems and one of >>>the >>> members has said "If you want "real" B&W, pick up an earlier M Leica >>>or any >>> other film camera and shoot film.? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As you say, we are trained for this! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Lluis >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> El 12 mar? 2016, a les 17:21, Gerry Walden < >>> gerry.walden at icloud.com> va escriure: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered a used M7 today, and I am looking forward to getting >>> back to film after 13 or 14 years. I bought it mainly as a backup in >>>case >>> anything goes wrong with my M9, but having said that i shot film for >>>around >>> 40+ years from the age of 14 and it will be good to play with it again. >>> Back to the world of exploring which film is best handled by the >>>processors >>> I guess because i don't want to get into the processing side of life, >>>which >>> I never did enjoy. it should arrive on Tuesday complete with an >>>'Artisan' >>> half-case and a Leicatime strap - such class! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS >>>>>>>>>>>> www.gwpics.com >>>>>>>>>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>>>>>>>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =========================================================== >>>>>>>> Dr Peter Dzwig >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>information >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> =========================================================== >>>>>> Dr Peter Dzwig >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> =========================================================== >>>> Dr Peter Dzwig >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information