Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/02/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ah, brilliant! Please see the third sentence of my second paragraph, in which I proposed and dismissed this idea?because I didn?t take the thought far enough, and think, ?Wait?maybe it DOES know the intensity of the illumination of the subject??. And also because I forgot that I?d once known that. I think. I can?t remember whether I once knew that, actually, but I know I did read an explanation of that little round window? That?s the difference between people who are merely clever and those who are actually creative?the latter don?t stop thinking. And the brilliant ones remember what they once knew, and can retrieve it. Where?s that ?embarrassed? emoji? Thanks for the explanation, Jay! ?howard > On Feb 11, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com> > wrote: > > Top center left on the front of an M body is a small window which contains > a metering cell that meters the environmental light, in order for the > camera to be able to guesstimate the lens aperture. This is relevant for > in-camera vignetting correction as well as EXIF data. > It compares the light coming to it with the value of the max aperture as > reported by the 6-bit coding and comes up with a (sometimes spurious) > number. For example, use of the exposure compensation will really throw it > off. I run -2/3 almost all the time on my MM and it reports to me that my > Summilux wide open is f/1... > > Jay > > On 2/11/2016 5:35 PM, Howard Ritter wrote: >> Can anyone explain how Lightroom reports an aperture for images made with >> M cameras, which don?t have a way to report their aperture setting to the >> camera? All the camera knows is what the lens?s maximum aperture is, as >> reported by the 6-bit code or manually. >> >> I just ran off a series of images with a coded 24/2.8, one at each usual >> stop from 2.8 to 16. LR reports the apertures as 2.8, 3.4, 4.8, 6.8, 9.5, >> and 13. The aperture could be inferred from the integrated light >> intensity, but only if the camera knows the intensity of the illumination >> of the subject, which of course it doesn?t. I?m puzzled not only by the >> fact that LR reports an aperture setting, which the camera has no means >> of knowing, but even more by the fact that the values are different for >> each exposure, increasing continuously in the right direction, and most >> of all by the fact that the values are, as Tina says, in the ball park. >> And the Mac?s Preview app reports an Aperture Value, which for the same >> sequence of images also increases correctly, but ranges from 2.97 to 7.4. >> >> With a non-coded 35/1.4 and lens data entered manually, LR reports the >> apertures as 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 4.8, 8, 9.5, and then drops to 4 for f/22. >> Preview does much the same thing but less accurately, reporting a >> progression from 0.97 to 6.5, but then dropping to 6 for f/22. >> >> With the same non-coded lens, but the lens data manually entered >> incorrectly as 90/2, LR gave the apertures as 2, 2, 2.8, 4.8, 5.6, 8, >> 9.5, and 4. Preview gave them as 2, 2, 2.97, 4.5, 4.96, 6, 6.49, 4. >> >> I am completely baffled. Anyone have an answer? How do the programs >> derive a value for f/stop? Since LR and Preview report different >> apertures for the same exposure, it can?t be just information supplied by >> the camera. The camera knows what the maximum aperture of each lens is, >> but what, the camera or the program, or both, decides that a lens is set >> to that, or to anything smaller? >> >> ?howard > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information