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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: Comparing SL and M240 and 19R and Noctilux
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:16:08 -0500
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You are right.  With a manual focus lens, you can only choose A or M;
however when I use A and I have the Noctilux set for 1.0, it records in the
EXIF as 1.4 or 1.7.  With the SL lens, I often used T because the P program
chose a much slower shutter speed than I would normally use.

Tina

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Frank Verizon <red735i at verizon.net> 
wrote:

> In S(T?) mode ( you set speed, camera sets aperture), using a MF lens, did
> the camera actually set the aperture by itself?
> I am wondering if there is some linkage from digital camera to mechanical
> aperture on the lens....which I think there is not....
> My assumption is that when using a MF R lens, with the current adapters,
> you must use Aperture preferred metering ( camera sets shutter speed,
> people set aperture).
>
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
>
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Frank.  I tried several ways of handling exposure.  I started out
> using P and letting the camera set everything with the SL lens.  With the
> manual focus lenses, I chose between A for Aperture and T for shutter
> speed, depending on the circumstances.  I did not do too well using M for
> manual because the EVF is so bright, I would forget to check the exposure
> and severely underexposed everything!  I found that when I set the camera
> for P, it often chose an ISO of 50 and a much slower shutter speed than I
> would have chosen, so I ended up using A or T for the SL lens also.
>
> The R9 with the digital back and no lens weighs 1402 grams.
> The LS with no lens weighs 883 grams.
> The Canon 1DMII with no lens weighs 1586 grams.
>
> The LS with the 24-90 lens weighs 2095!  It's a heavy lens; however, the
> Canon with my favorite Canon lens 85/1.2 weighs 2623 grams.  It's a
> monster!
>
> Tina
>
> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Frank Verizon <red735i at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am delighted you like the magnified focus feature.  It is my preferred
> > method. (a7 and XE-1)
> >
> > An interesting comparison would be the weight of the new SL to the R you
> > might own.
> >
> > How did the camera perform exposure?  You did nothing, the camera handled
> > everything?  You set the lens f-stop, the camera set the shutter? You did
> > everything manually, setting shutter speed and aperture?
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > Red735i at verizon.net
> >
> > On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> >
> > PESO:
> >
> > I took some photos in the rain to compare the SL with the R19/2.8, the SL
> > with the 35/2.0 Summicron and the M240 with the Summicron.  As I was
> > carrying the cameras out to the deck, I passed the kitchen scale so I
> > weighed them.  The SL with no lens weighed 966 grams.  The M240 with the
> > 35/2.0 attached weighed 961 grams, so not a huge difference.
> >
> > When I attach the M lenses, the SL automatically recognized the coded
> > lenses with no further attention from me.  When I attach the R lenses, I
> go
> > to the menu and tell it which R lens is attached.  It recognizes the lens
> > but does not record the correct aperture.  I know I took several at F/8
> and
> > used hyperfocal focusing, but none of them came up as having f/8 for the
> > aperture.
> >
> > The SL is much easier to focus.  I tried out both the magnifying in the
> EVF
> > and the focus peaking.  Both work fine but the magnified EVF is much
> easier
> > to see.  You press the bottom right button once and it zooms to 100% in
> the
> > EVF, press it twice and it zooms to 200%.  Focus and touch the shutter
> > button and it zooms back out and takes the photo.
> >
> > With the auto-focus SL lens, there are several focusing formats to choose
> > from in the SL and  you can also touch the screen and have it focus there
> > or move the toggle switch (they call it the joystick) next to the EFG to
> > choose a focus spot.  I find the screen and the toggle switch to be
> easiest
> > and fastest.  But these are all manually focused with M and R lenses.
> >
> > The first one is an experiment with the Noctilux last night using the
> > magnified EVF to focus on Tom's eyelashes instead of the glasses frame.
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/image/161961923
> >
> > The next three are straight from the camera as DNGs, converted to jpegs
> as
> > they are exported with no other adjustments.
> >
> > Leica SL with 19/2.8 Elmarit R:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961755
> >
> > Leica SL with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961757
> >
> > Leica M240 with 35/2.0 Summicron M:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/161961758
> >
> > I did some bracketed exposures and merged the photos for HDR with each
> > camera and each lens.  These are adjusted for color and exposure:
> >
> > *http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7
> > <http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/leica_sl&page=7>*
> >
> > The SL will also bracket the 3 exposures as DNGs and make a merged jpeg
> > from them automatically.  I found those needed more adjusting than making
> > them myself.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
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