Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/10/25

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Subject: [Leica] BIG new Leica
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 07:51:32 -0700
References: <D2518301.4B00D%mark@rabinergroup.com> <D896D0AF-09D7-40EF-9BCB-37707E24BE63@frozenlight.eu>

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
> wrote:
> 
> You?re such a sad wanker, Mark. Your hate of the M8 is pathological. On 
> the one hand you come across as a total Leica fan boy, but on the other 
> hand you have no experience with any of the cameras about which you 
> pontificate.


as we say,


"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one".


steve
> 
> Here are three random images from my PAD site:
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> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-2nQcdR3/A
> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-cMmWJBk/A
> http://www.greatpix.eu/All/Picture-A-Day/i-6BSFF6B/A
> 
> (all three from this year)
> 
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>
> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>
> YNWA
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>> On 25 Oct 2015, at 00:48, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The last time anyone posted a shot taken with an M8 was when?
>> There are about none in use.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/24/15 6:34 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark, the point is you've never used it, many people are using it now 
>>> with
>>> great results, and you were called out for a negative opinion of a Leica 
>>> you'd
>>> never used vs. your claim that people give you a hard time for a positive
>>> opinion of Leica equipment.
>>> 
>>> Doug Herr
>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 24, 2015 3:08 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
>>>> 
>>>> The M8 was one disaster after another almost weekly new issues and was
>>>> looked upon by the entire photo community was awe and dismay as the bad 
>>>> news
>>>> kept coming in  it like no camera anyone ever heard of.  It way out 
>>>> Edseled
>>>> the Edsel.  Yet it did keep Leica in the lens selling business new 
>>>> lenses
>>>> and paved the way for the almost commercially viable M9  (largely 
>>>> ignored by
>>>> pros) and at least was not an embarrassment which paved the way for the
>>>> completely commercially viable M out now.. But by then though all the
>>>> serious Leica shooters had gone DSLR and were not in a hurry to invest 
>>>> in
>>>> seven grand bodies with six grand glass which required more than one 
>>>> body as
>>>> at least of them is going to be in a far off shop for not a short time.
>>>> 
>>>> For Leica to have gotten its very first digital attempt right and 
>>>> seamlessly
>>>> jumped right into the digital camera business would have been much more
>>>> interesting and unlikely news. It was a huge leap for Leica to make and
>>>> guess what it didn't make it all that wonderfully and instantly.
>>>> And I dare to disparage the M8!  If somebody wants to read positive 
>>>> stuff on
>>>> the M8 they're going to have to read it here became they're not going to
>>>> find it anywhere else. Its a blooper the modern Leica company would 
>>>> love to
>>>> forget. And please tell us about how you're using it for infra red.
>>>> I think the die hards all but one or two have been stuck with the fact 
>>>> that
>>>> their camera have locked up and died and its a lesson hopefully well
>>>> learned. Be careful about buying first outs from companies who have 
>>>> close to
>>>> zero experience in a new burgeoning technology but plenty of experience 
>>>> in
>>>> the opposite.
>>>> Had the camera been successful it would have been a minor modern 
>>>> miracle.
>>>> With a little luck it would have had a few less issues. But that luck 
>>>> with
>>>> not to be found that time round.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/24/15 5:46 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I remain the only person on any photo list who gets is opinions 
>>>>>> thrown back
>>>>>> at him if he doesn't have a notarized receipt of the item at hand. It 
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> me feel very special. I've notice the most I get in trouble on this 
>>>>>> list is
>>>>>> when I say something positive about a Leica product.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's also when you say something negative about something you've never 
>>>>> used,
>>>>> Leica or otherwise.  Do you recall the M8?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doug Herr
>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Leica Users Group.
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
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