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Subject: [Leica] BIG new Leica
From: photo at (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 06:11:57 +0100
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You?re such a sad wanker, Mark. Your hate of the M8 is pathological. On the 
one hand you come across as a total Leica fan boy, but on the other hand you 
have no experience with any of the cameras about which you pontificate.

Here are three random images from my PAD site:

(all three from this year)


Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain <>
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> On 25 Oct 2015, at 00:48, Mark Rabiner <mark at> wrote:
> The last time anyone posted a shot taken with an M8 was when?
> There are about none in use.
> On 10/24/15 6:34 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at> wrote:
>> Mark, the point is you've never used it, many people are using it now with
>> great results, and you were called out for a negative opinion of a Leica 
>> you'd
>> never used vs. your claim that people give you a hard time for a positive
>> opinion of Leica equipment.
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at>
>>> Sent: Oct 24, 2015 3:08 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
>>> The M8 was one disaster after another almost weekly new issues and was
>>> looked upon by the entire photo community was awe and dismay as the bad 
>>> news
>>> kept coming in  it like no camera anyone ever heard of.  It way out 
>>> Edseled
>>> the Edsel.  Yet it did keep Leica in the lens selling business new lenses
>>> and paved the way for the almost commercially viable M9  (largely 
>>> ignored by
>>> pros) and at least was not an embarrassment which paved the way for the
>>> completely commercially viable M out now.. But by then though all the
>>> serious Leica shooters had gone DSLR and were not in a hurry to invest in
>>> seven grand bodies with six grand glass which required more than one 
>>> body as
>>> at least of them is going to be in a far off shop for not a short time.
>>> For Leica to have gotten its very first digital attempt right and 
>>> seamlessly
>>> jumped right into the digital camera business would have been much more
>>> interesting and unlikely news. It was a huge leap for Leica to make and
>>> guess what it didn't make it all that wonderfully and instantly.
>>> And I dare to disparage the M8!  If somebody wants to read positive 
>>> stuff on
>>> the M8 they're going to have to read it here became they're not going to
>>> find it anywhere else. Its a blooper the modern Leica company would love 
>>> to
>>> forget. And please tell us about how you're using it for infra red.
>>> I think the die hards all but one or two have been stuck with the fact 
>>> that
>>> their camera have locked up and died and its a lesson hopefully well
>>> learned. Be careful about buying first outs from companies who have 
>>> close to
>>> zero experience in a new burgeoning technology but plenty of experience 
>>> in
>>> the opposite.
>>> Had the camera been successful it would have been a minor modern miracle.
>>> With a little luck it would have had a few less issues. But that luck 
>>> with
>>> not to be found that time round.
>>> On 10/24/15 5:46 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at> wrote:
>>>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> I remain the only person on any photo list who gets is opinions thrown 
>>>>> back
>>>>> at him if he doesn't have a notarized receipt of the item at hand. It 
>>>>> makes
>>>>> me feel very special. I've notice the most I get in trouble on this 
>>>>> list is
>>>>> when I say something positive about a Leica product.
>>>> It's also when you say something negative about something you've never 
>>>> used,
>>>> Leica or otherwise.  Do you recall the M8?
>>>> Doug Herr
>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
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>>> -- 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photographer
>>> _______________________________________________
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> -- 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photographer
> _______________________________________________
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