Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/10/24

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Subject: [Leica] BIG new Leica
From: wildlightphoto at (Doug Herr)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:34:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00)

Mark, the point is you've never used it, many people are using it now with 
great results, and you were called out for a negative opinion of a Leica 
you'd never used vs. your claim that people give you a hard time for a 
positive opinion of Leica equipment.

Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Rabiner <mark at>
>Sent: Oct 24, 2015 3:08 PM
>To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>Subject: Re: [Leica] BIG new Leica
>The M8 was one disaster after another almost weekly new issues and was
>looked upon by the entire photo community was awe and dismay as the bad news
>kept coming in  it like no camera anyone ever heard of.  It way out Edseled
>the Edsel.  Yet it did keep Leica in the lens selling business new lenses
>and paved the way for the almost commercially viable M9  (largely ignored by
>pros) and at least was not an embarrassment which paved the way for the
>completely commercially viable M out now.. But by then though all the
>serious Leica shooters had gone DSLR and were not in a hurry to invest in
>seven grand bodies with six grand glass which required more than one body as
>at least of them is going to be in a far off shop for not a short time.
>For Leica to have gotten its very first digital attempt right and seamlessly
>jumped right into the digital camera business would have been much more
>interesting and unlikely news. It was a huge leap for Leica to make and
>guess what it didn't make it all that wonderfully and instantly.
>And I dare to disparage the M8!  If somebody wants to read positive stuff on
>the M8 they're going to have to read it here became they're not going to
>find it anywhere else. Its a blooper the modern Leica company would love to
>forget. And please tell us about how you're using it for infra red.
>I think the die hards all but one or two have been stuck with the fact that
>their camera have locked up and died and its a lesson hopefully well
>learned. Be careful about buying first outs from companies who have close to
>zero experience in a new burgeoning technology but plenty of experience in
>the opposite.
>Had the camera been successful it would have been a minor modern miracle.
>With a little luck it would have had a few less issues. But that luck with
>not to be found that time round.
>On 10/24/15 5:46 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at> wrote:
>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I remain the only person on any photo list who gets is opinions thrown 
>>> back
>>> at him if he doesn't have a notarized receipt of the item at hand. It 
>>> makes
>>> me feel very special. I've notice the most I get in trouble on this list 
>>> is
>>> when I say something positive about a Leica product.
>> It's also when you say something negative about something you've never 
>> used,
>> Leica or otherwise.  Do you recall the M8?
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
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>Mark William Rabiner
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