Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/07/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gene, You?re still trying to argue based on emotion, not fact. You still have not told me any good reason why I should invite the State into my personal relationships. That?s what marriage is. Giving the state control over something private and personal. Contrary to popular belief, the USA does NOT have religious marriage. All marriages here are civil marriages, even if you marry in a church. This is because the marriage is not legally valid unless the state first issues you a license to marry, and if you do decide to divorce, the state, not God or his ministers in your church/synagogue/mosque/etc, must approve it. That approval is costly, and serves no purpose but to enrich lawyers and a corrupt legal system. I?m not saying you cannot have a lifelong relationship if you have the good fortune to find a good woman and you have the moral fiber to keep yourself faithful as well. I?m happy for you, and Tina, and Ted, and all the other older people here who have that. You still have not shown me any reason why the state needed to be involved in your relationship. -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-437-8990 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 Become a fan on Facebook On 7/3/15, 12:45 PM, "lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of grduprey at mchsi.com" <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: >Chris, > >Well my wife does share in it. We also do not bury our heads in the >sand, we do everything we can to improve our world, and have and still do >teach our children & grand children to do the same. > >I am truly sorry that you have such a negative view of life and the >world. I hope that someday you have a better view. > >Gene > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> >To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org> >Sent: Friday, July 3, 2015 12:08:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website > >Gene, you?re attitude doesn?t mean a thing if your wife doesn?t share it, >and I have seen a lot of people?s (both men and women) attitudes suddenly >change. No thanks. My cats won?t leave me and steal everything I own on a >whim. People today simply have no concern for anyone but themselves or >anything higher in importance than appearances and status. > >As a teacher, I can tell you that our future is FUCKED. I try so hard to >show the kids that there?s something deeper, greater, warmer, more >beautiful than the world of mindless entertainment and idiotic >interpersonal drama that they immerse themselves in. A few of them get it, >they?re the rare ones, the smart ones with souls and hearts, and the other >kids bully them mercilessly. God forbid anyone think for themselves. > >The older people who should be helping fix it? They?ve got their fool >heads buried in the sand, desperately trying to avoid seeing that their >world died, because they killed it, and they know they have a debt to pay >if the young ever free themselves and begin to think again. > >I have to care about our society?s future. Not just for my students, but >for my 18 year old son, who just graduated from high school. He has a long >life ahead of him, longer than I?ll likely have given the state of my >health. Want him to have a better life than I had, but I can?t say it?ll >happen. I?m fearful and angry at what he?ll face. > >-- >Chris Crawford >Fine Art Photography >Fort Wayne, Indiana >260-437-8990 > >http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > >http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >Become a fan on Facebook > > > >On 7/3/15, 12:01 AM, >"lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >grduprey at mchsi.com" ><lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: > >>Chris, >>Wedding vows don't mean anything if you go into the marriage with the >>attitude that you can get out of it if you want to. If you enter into >>marriage with the attitude of total commitment, then Divorce is Not An >>Option, then it will last, because you are committed to make it work. >>Your statistics mean nothing to those of us who have this attitude. >> >>Gene >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> >>To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org> >>Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 2:12:12 PM >>Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website >> >>Ted, >> >>You?re living in the past. Wedding vows don?t mean a damned thing. In the >>USA, 50% of marriages end in divorce within the first 5 years. Because >>the >>couple were stupid enough to invite the government into their >>relationship, they have to pay lawyers and court fees for ?permission? to >>split up. >> >>We have ?no fault? divorce now, the courts NEVER deny a couple permission >>to divorce anymore, so I see no reason to involve them. In the past, you >>could only divorce for a good reason, and those reasons were codified in >>the law. Domestic violence, adultery, alcohol or drug addiction, and >>abandonment were pretty much the only valid reasons judges would grant a >>divorce. Not anymore; one of the people just has to be ?bored? or wants >>someone else, etc. >> >>-- >>Chris Crawford >>Fine Art Photography >>Fort Wayne, Indiana >>260-437-8990 >> >>http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >>http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>Become a fan on Facebook >> >> >> >>On 7/2/15, 1:00 PM, "LUG on behalf of Ted Grant" >><lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: >> >>>Well then, all that shows is how easy it is to get knocked-up and not >>>have >>>the responsibilities of rearing the child or children! That may not be >>>the >>>case. But it sure leaves the "Barn door open" for easy departure! >>> >>>I would much rather be married with the responsibilities that go along >>>with >>>that "union!" Than have no proper vows that let these un-married folks >>>walk >>>out the door anytime they feel like it! If that might be a statistic or >>>fact?? >>> >>>Dr. ted Grant >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On >>>Behalf >>>Of >>>Jayanand Govindaraj >>>Sent: July-02-15 9:44 AM >>>To: Leica Users Group >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website >>> >>>The fact remains that for the first time in the USA, in 2013 (or maybe >>>2014), if memory serves me right, more children were born to unmarried >>>parents than to married ones. All of you are clearly in the minority >>>today.... >>>Cheers >>>Jayanand >>> >>>On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:16 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 100 % agree. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> >>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 1:42:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Shameless wedding photography plug new website >>>> >>>> Well I figure I might throw this in! :-) >>>> >>>> Irene and I were married 15 October 1949 and were married 64 years >>>>before >>>> she passed away leaving the biggest hole in my 86 life years! :-( >>>> >>>> Sure we had our "chit chats!!! x53xx+++ bang bang etc! etc. >>>> >>>> Example! Show me a couple who've never had a yapping session at each >>>> other during 64 years? We joked about "GUNS NOT BEING LEGAL IN >>>>CANADA!" >>>And >>>> a good thing ! :-) As she offered, "I'd most certainly given her >>>>reason >>>to >>>> use one on me a few times!" :-) :-) :-) Then she'd give me a big hug! >>>> >>>> Don't need a lawyer if you have real love in your heart's for each >>>> other!!!!! >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Dr. ted :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>>--- >>>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information