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Subject: [Leica] Mary Ellen Mark On Vimeo for Leica/captions
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 22:58:12 +0530
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Steve,
Your photographs of unwell kids come as close to universal as anything I
have seen on the LUG. I wonder why, in the context of what you have
written, you always think it fit to give a description or background info
when posting the shots?
Cheers
Jayanand

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> > On May 29, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Gerry,
> > Doesn't that mean that the photographer was lazy with the wording of his
> > caption?
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
>
>
> by definition a caption is limiting (and subject to <someone's>
> interpretation), the result is that it affects/limits the viewers
> imagination.
>
> imo if it is a good/great image it is always better on its own. I will go
> further, imo, only a poor photo will do better with a caption.
>
> now that should keep the LUG busy.
>
>
> steve
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at 
> > icloud.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> There is also the point that under certain circumstances the use of a
> >> caption can influence the viewers interpretation of the image to the
> >> detriment of the original intention of the photographer.
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 29 May 2015, at 15:19, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at gmail.com> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> An interesting point of view, Jayanand, and to be honest not one I had
> >>> really considered before you raised it.  Maybe that is because her
> >>> photographs ring true to me as depictions of the culture I am part of,
> >> but
> >>> I'll need to think about that some more.
> >>>
> >>> Even the photographs she made of cultures I am not familiar with have
> the
> >>> ring of truth to them, in my opinion, and I now think about the war
> zone
> >>> photographs of shooters like James Nachtwey and wonder if they need
> >>> captions and if not why not?  Would you think Salgado's famous
> >> photographs
> >>> of the gold mine or of the train station need text?  An argument can be
> >>> made that some things should allow for use of the viewer's imagination
> -
> >> or
> >>> sense of investigation if the viewer wants to learn more about the
> >> subject.
> >>>
> >>> Educators trying to teach students (or trial lawyers like me trying to
> >>> teach a jury) will say you should not spoon feed every bit of
> information
> >>> to the audience but leave some for the audience to figure out; it is
> >> better
> >>> learned and retained that way.  Should that maxim also apply to
> >>> documentary/documenting photography?
> >>>
> >>> Again: you raise an interesting point and I'm going to think about it.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> --Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <
> >> jayanand at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bob,
> >>>> Interesting. TFS.
> >>>>
> >>>> What struck me is that most of the pictures have no emotional impact
> for
> >>>> me, like the girls in the gang on the street, without her narration,
> as
> >> I
> >>>> am not steeped in the nitty gritties of US culture. Goes against what
> >> Kyle
> >>>> says that one of her tenets was, about not having a caption. I think
> >> that
> >>>> is valid when you have a mono cultural, homogenous viewership for your
> >>>> work, but once you have a cross cultural audience, a little
> explanation,
> >>>> like a caption, is invaluable to create the emotional impact! Of
> course,
> >>>> this observation is for the sort of photographs that she took, and
> >>>> obviously would apply to a much lesser extent for nature/wildlife and
> >> that
> >>>> sort of thing, but even there, giving the frame "a local habitation
> and
> >> a
> >>>> name" does help in pulling the viewer emotionally into the frame.
> >>>>
> >>>> My two bits!
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> Jayanand
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at 
> >>>> gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> https://vimeo.com/80793010
> >>>>>
> >>>>> View full screen.  It is worth seeing and listening to I think, not
> so
> >>>> much
> >>>>> because of Leica but because of Mary Ellen Mark.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Bob
> >>>
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