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Subject: [Leica] Mary Ellen Mark On Vimeo for Leica
From: gerry.walden at icloud.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 16:13:40 +0100
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There is also the point that under certain circumstances the use of a 
caption can influence the viewers interpretation of the image to the 
detriment of the original intention of the photographer. 

Gerry 

Sent from my iPad

> On 29 May 2015, at 15:19, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> An interesting point of view, Jayanand, and to be honest not one I had
> really considered before you raised it.  Maybe that is because her
> photographs ring true to me as depictions of the culture I am part of, but
> I'll need to think about that some more.
> 
> Even the photographs she made of cultures I am not familiar with have the
> ring of truth to them, in my opinion, and I now think about the war zone
> photographs of shooters like James Nachtwey and wonder if they need
> captions and if not why not?  Would you think Salgado's famous photographs
> of the gold mine or of the train station need text?  An argument can be
> made that some things should allow for use of the viewer's imagination - or
> sense of investigation if the viewer wants to learn more about the subject.
> 
> Educators trying to teach students (or trial lawyers like me trying to
> teach a jury) will say you should not spoon feed every bit of information
> to the audience but leave some for the audience to figure out; it is better
> learned and retained that way.  Should that maxim also apply to
> documentary/documenting photography?
> 
> Again: you raise an interesting point and I'm going to think about it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --Bob
> 
> 
> 
> ===On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at 
> gmail.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Bob,
>> Interesting. TFS.
>> 
>> What struck me is that most of the pictures have no emotional impact for
>> me, like the girls in the gang on the street, without her narration, as I
>> am not steeped in the nitty gritties of US culture. Goes against what Kyle
>> says that one of her tenets was, about not having a caption. I think that
>> is valid when you have a mono cultural, homogenous viewership for your
>> work, but once you have a cross cultural audience, a little explanation,
>> like a caption, is invaluable to create the emotional impact! Of course,
>> this observation is for the sort of photographs that she took, and
>> obviously would apply to a much lesser extent for nature/wildlife and that
>> sort of thing, but even there, giving the frame "a local habitation and a
>> name" does help in pulling the viewer emotionally into the frame.
>> 
>> My two bits!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Robert Baron <robertbaron1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://vimeo.com/80793010
>>> 
>>> View full screen.  It is worth seeing and listening to I think, not so
>> much
>>> because of Leica but because of Mary Ellen Mark.
>>> 
>>> --Bob
> 
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