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Subject: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:36:38 -0800
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Because I have had it for 10 years!
With IP, as I understand it, the profiles are for the printer and paper 
combo. I used to use Colorburst where I profiled my printer but found the 
detail and color nuance superior with IP. 
And so it goes my friend...
Bob Adler
Robert Adler Photography
www.robertadlerphotography.com

> On Mar 1, 2015, at 9:23 PM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been awhile since I used ImagePrint.  I was mostly using it for
> prepress and BW conversions. I had a color separation house set up the rip
> and it worked as it should.  Metamerism is not so much of an issue these
> days so no need for it with BW.  I do remember how important it was  that
> you  profiled the printer and not just the monitor.  Do you profile your
> printer?
> 
> Why do you use a rip?
> 
> Leo Wesson
> Photographer/Videographer
> 817.733.9157
> www.leowesson.com
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Leo,
>> Here's my wrench for you: I use the ImagePrint RIP...
>> :-/
>> 
>> Bob Adler
>> Robert Adler Photography
>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Leo Wesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> 
>>> I'm no expert and there are a million ways to screw this up...and I'm
>> not a
>>> user of Eizo equipment (yet) and I haven't used an I1 in awhile but....
>>> You have to have a good monitor to begin with.
>>> You have to make sure that the monitor is set to the default profile
>> before
>>> you callibrate.  Choose the native white point for your monitor.
>>> You have to make sure that your imaging software/hardware supports the
>>> version of profile that your profiler creates.  This one tripped me up a
>>> lot in the past...Version 4 or Version 2
>>> Make sure that your photo software is set to use your monitor profile.
>>> Soft proof with your paper profile for your printer that came from the
>>> paper manufacturer. Or use the profile that your make of  your paper to
>>> match your monitor.
>>> When you print you have to make sure that you aren't double profiling in
>>> your photo software and your print driver. It  is easy to screw up here.
>>> Make sure that you use your paper settings correctly.
>>> Your prints ought to be close.
>>> 
>>> Your monitor profile lets your know what your images should look like.
>>> Your printer/paper profile tells the printer how to get there.
>>> 
>>> If you do all this, you should be close.  If it didn't work, there is
>>> something wrong with either the way you did it or something wrong with
>> your
>>> equipment.
>>> 
>>> Changing your monitor to match the print output is not the way to go.  It
>>> screws up your baseline.
>>> That said, if it works for you, good.  But it doesn't work for me.
>>> 
>>> Leo Wesson
>>> Photographer/Videographer
>>> 817.733.9157
>>> www.leowesson.com
>>> 
>>> 
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