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Subject: [Leica] Alternative to the Monochrom
From: tedgrant at (Ted Grant)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:12:31 -0700
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I'm going to ask a real dumb ass question about the LEICA DIGILUX 2! I bet
not many of you have one nor used one before your eye?

This camera can shoot black & white and through the view finder the scene or
situation you are viewing is B&W! WOW WHAT A NEAT SCENE! CLICK! 

Yes it is! And is most fascinating when you move your eye away from the
viewfinder While doing this you can become sort of mesmerized seeing
everything as a black and white world. And that's before you've even tripped
the shutter capturing your not bad at all BLACK & WHITE photo moment. Quite
amazing really! YEP! Makes not bad 17" X 19" prints!

Move the camera away from your eye and quick as a penny dropping you are
flashed back into your natural "COLOUR WORLD!"

And you know what?????????? The B&W looks quite cool in print! The
interesting thing I found so fascinating was seeing B&W images in the
viewfinder before you went "CLICK!" Look-up and my goodness right before
your eye it's snapped back to colour!

So now dumb-ass question? Do all these super hot shot new B&W LEICA'S do
that for their multi thousands of dollars? Show you the world before you in
B&W?? Or do they just show you nothing more than the same old crap.... "The
world in colour...... but captures the image in B&W????????  BIG DEAL AND

Or through the view finder you view our natural colour world... but on the
back screen you have a black & white image???????

If it doesn't let you see in B&W through the view finder? Heck why waste
your money buying one of those when just a few hundred dollars you can have
a magical machine that allows you to see your photo as  a pure
B&W............. BEFORE YOU GO CLICK!

SO BIG DEAL ON ANY MONO LEICA! Heck it doesn't allow you to see how your
potentially beautiful B&W shot looks before you go CLICK!!  I think there
might be a few interesting responses on this???????

Dr. ted :-) :-)  

-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [ at] On Behalf 
Mark Rabiner
Sent: September-19-14 6:31 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Alternative to the Monochrom

It just doest come any dumber than this.

I think the purpose of the article is not to make an intelligent point but
simply to drum up some attention

We need to get smarter and ignore such stuff. But here I am typing away!

The idea is that because you can shoot black and white jpegs with consumer
quality cropped color fuji camera which can be in black and white mode and
since the fuji camera has a rangefinder in it than it is a replacement or
alternative for a Leica Monochrome. A camera which makes monochrome raw
files from a monochrome sensor.
In other words a consumer grade cropped color sensor replaces a full frame
Monochrom sensor professional grade sensor.

One could say that nothing makes any difference no matter what you do. Its
all a big giggle.

I see the title of the article is " The Fuji Monochrom"
The problem being that its a color camera.

One can always sell ones Leica M for a very nice Pentax Spotmatic and use
the extra many to take a short vacation but have we "replaced" our M?
It implication is that we are using the word to say the cameras are mainly
interchangeable. Whatever a Leica M can so so could a Spotmatic pretty much
just as well.
And I think Leica users and most of the rest of the world knows that that's
not likely the case.

Its like how the word "backup" gets used.


On 9/19/14 10:30 AM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at> wrote:

> I see a huge difference in the files from my Monochrom and the color
> files
from the M240 converted to B&W.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:25 AM,
> George Lottermoser <
george.imagist at> wrote:

> The Fuji cameras
> obviously deliver beautiful digital files; at an
> extremely affordable price
> when compared to the Leicas which they emulate.
> And essentially this article
> says, "here's a nice camera, that looks almost
> just like a leica, which can
> turn it's RGB files into Grayscale files (just
> like every other digital
> camera available).
> Of course the same points could be made for my M8, and
> M; or the M9, M-E;
> or if you let go of the range finder < any mirror-less
> camera on the market.
> a note off the iPad, George
> On Sep 19, 2014, at
> 6:54 AM, Douglas Nygren via LUG <lug at>
> wrote:
> > Attached
> is a link to an article describing using the Fuji X100s to do
> black and
> white photograph.
> >
> > Given the high cost of the Monochrom, this may be a
> good alternative.
> X100S is a camera Leica should have made, but didn't.
> >
> > I look forward to reading your comments.
> > Doug
> >
> > The Fuji
> Monochrom By James Conley
> >
> >
> >
> > The Fuji Monochrom By James Conley
> > The Fuji Monochrom By James Conley A major impediment most new
> photographers face is that color is the default mode of expression. Not
> only
> are we inundated by ...
> > View on Preview by
> Yahoo
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