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Subject: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:12:26 +0530
References: <3B37FEB4-3FAC-411F-A550-A20037C3B760@frozenlight.eu> <6613B562-AB26-45C3-B69A-CBE875A17038@acm.org> <A7DB6DB8-0F15-4176-805A-582C7887D5A5@gmail.com> <CAH1UNJ30RecSnAEr7Q4zSYix2ZyJraHzawKNpwr1iwnDHCFv6Q@mail.gmail.com> <B3C4351CC11144D1A8498009ABD8C19A@billHP> <F1D55AC4BBAC419B88ACEEE58791A781@billHP>

Bill, I did make it clear I was talking about India. Asian parents are very
professional course oriented. Why do you get insulted?
Cheers
Jayanand


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:

> Not to offend, jayanand, but my only experience with India is through
> telephone banks, and those do not put a good face on your country. In the
> US, the people who work for liberal arts degrees are not ones who take
> second best, but are people who are sincerely dedicated to the values of
> learning, and have in some cases carefully considered the employment
> possibilities that will result. I have know many Liberal arts majors, and
> not a one of them chose that because they couldn?t get into a science or
> math program. That is, really, in US conditions, and insulting statement.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jayanand Govindaraj
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 3:31 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time
>
> Bill,
> Well I am not an Engineering Graduate, though I am a Math/Statistics
> graduate. I have been hiring people in campus interviews, lateral recruits,
> freshers etc. since 1987, first for Citibank India and then for my own
> company, all direct recruits into the management cadre. I think I have
> enough experience to know what I am talking about - in fact in both cases,
> for freshers, we were only worried about above average intelligence - the
> banking/finance know how could easily be taught in a few months. I have
> nothing against Liberal Arts majors, only the ones who opt for that stream
> are those, in my experience, under Indian conditions, who could not get
> admission in professional/commerce/science degree courses. Secondly, a lack
> of math knowledge is a severe handicap in most manufacturing/services
> management trainee type of jobs. YMMV.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> 
> wrote:
>
>  You may not know this, and most employers certainly don't, but Liberal
>> Arts and Fine Arts majors make the best employees. They learn fast, and
>> are
>> not filled with useless ideas about how to get things done, and more
>> easily
>> adapt to change.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gmail
>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:13 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Sony Sucks, big time
>>
>> I was a liberal arts major (Econ) and have designed products and services
>> that you very likely have used. Back in the 90s when I was at MSFT, there
>> were loads of music majors writing code and even art history majors
>> running
>> product groups. The group program manager for the native apps on the
>> original iphone was an English major. Many tech startup founders have
>> liberal arts backgrounds.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Apr 13, 2014, at 22:35, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim, But Liberal Arts majors are incapable of designing TVs or
>>> manufacturing them in the first place! (-: So what is your point?
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Jim Gmail <jplaurel at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what happens when the liberal arts are discarded in favor of more
>>>> "practical" majors.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Apr 13, 2014, at 20:19, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> You may just have been a victim of the fact that most engineers cannot
>>>>>
>>>>>  write, whether it's in English or Japanese.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here's how I achieved fame in my department at Apple. A couple of guys
>>>>>
>>>>>  "invented" a piece of software that gets independently invented at
>>>> just
>>>> about every company that writes software. The system controlled editing
>>>> so
>>>> that two or more people couldn't simultaneously  make changes and step
>>>> on
>>>> each other's work. So, if one person "checks the software out" for
>>>> editing,
>>>> all others can get it on a read-only basis until the first person checks
>>>> it
>>>> back in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I had to use this simple thing, and the write-up by it's authors was so
>>>>>
>>>>>  damn unintelligible that I had to figure out how to work it by trial
>>>> and
>>>> error. After then using it, I just decided, on my own to write a manual.
>>>> My
>>>> boss was so impressed that I got an imaginative reward: three bottles of
>>>> wine a month for a year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Subsequently, I was picked to edit our release notes, which ultimately
>>>>>
>>>>>  grew to about 350 pages. I had a great experience editing the
>>>> writings of
>>>> people, with a few exceptions, couldn't write.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herbert Kanner
>>>>> kanner at acm.org
>>>>> 650-326-8204
>>>>>
>>>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I have never owned a Sony camera, and now I know for sure that  I
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  will.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  We just bought a 65-inch Sony Bravia TV, one of the latest models, not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  cheap to put it mildly. Great picture, but we have struggling for 2
>>>>> days
>>>>>
>>>> with the simple task (or should be simple) to connect a garden variety
>>>> laptop to the TV using its wifi interface so that the TV in effect acts
>>>> as
>>>> a computer monitor, but without the clutter of HDMI cables and all that.
>>>> The menus and instructions for Sony products were apparently originally
>>>> written in Klingon, then translated into Japanese and then to English.
>>>> And
>>>> it appears that unless your computer is a Sony Vaio, you have to perform
>>>> various unnatural acts. Everything Sony seems to be proprietary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  I think the TV is going back to the store (fortunately, we bought
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  locally), to be replace by a Samsung or LG.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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