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Subject: [Leica] Leila's April 24th announcement - place your bets!
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2014 23:11:44 -0800
References: <CAE3QcF7_Dm2aHa+rs4c+x6c5eKY=6XnrTF6rO8TEUvfHge+PZg@mail.gmail.com> <CF3ED765.19599%mark@rabinergroup.com>

H ha, who changed the subject from Leica to Leila, seeing that "Leila" is
one of our dogs' name :-)

"Leila's April 24th announcemen"


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> Leica may not as you say Geoff compete with the Sony as it will be stealing
> sales from its M line. And a full frame compact more the size of a Barnack
> than a metal munching M5 is going to make final images which would compete
> with it.
> A bad business decision for Leica unless  sold them for seven grand usd to
> match the M's.. Yet if they did that they could actually sell. As people
> might even pay more money for a non slipped disk in their neck and feel
> they
> were getting off easy paying the same.
>
> And yes its mini 4/3's as non mini 4/3's  2x crop cameras were all bigger
> than 1.5 crop cameras. And as dumb as the consumer market maybe being sold
> megapixels you cant fool all of the people all of the time.
> So not its not a smaller format in a bigger camera.
> Its just an unnecessarily small format.
> 1.5 crop cameras all already criticized as too small in the hands. There's
> not practical need for a smaller sensor as if that's  going to make for a
> smaller camera body. Nobodies asking for cmares to fit in their jeans
> pocket
> and if they did....?
>
> Sony's and other camera companies compact full frame compacts will steal
> money from M sales as there will be countless articles in  magazines
> demonstrating that excellent imagery came be elegantly made with cameras
> far
> smaller, lighter and cheaper than the seven grand M240.
> Leica may just be interested in recouping some of that money with its own
> product. Instead of just letting Sony and the other companies have it all
> in
> a feeding frenzy.
>
> Leica M6 sales were hurt by the elegant 35mm compacts made by Contax, Nikon
> and Rollie. And Minox. And by I forgot.
>
>
> On 3/7/14 1:32 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark, not quite the full story.
> > Leica Camera did market a version of a Panasonic four thirds camera for a
> > period. Presumably it was not sufficiently successful and it was
> > discontinued.
> > Four thirds itself is displaced by the micro four thirds standard now in
> > any case.
> > Of course they still offer versions of some Panasonic compacts in their
> > range. I've shot a few hundred frames each with Micro Four Thirds cameras
> > from Olympus and Panasonic and they do a very good job. They offer some
> > unique advantages but are not intended to compete directly with full
> frame
> > for some applications.
> > I don't believe that Leica is intending, nor needs to compete with that
> > Sony though.
> > It's a bit of a trap to look at cameras just from an M perspective, which
> > seems to come up in the on-line Leica groups a bit. Everyone wants a
> > smaller, cheaper (add a list of desired features) vehicle for their
> lenses
> > while retaining the M cachet maybe! Leica remains a small niche in the
> > scheme of things, however they have done better and better from the M9
> > especially, forward. Guess which company is doing better in their market
> > niche, Leica Camera or Sony? On impressions Fujifilm and Olympus are
> closer
> > competitors with Sony?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >
> >
> > On 7 March 2014 16:16, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "bringing Leica back to the 4/3." kinda sounds like Leica used to make a
> >> 4/3's camera, and now its coming back home.. Not the case. It's made a
> >> couple of 4/3's lenes for other companies cameras.
> >> Leica now is making compact 1.5 crop cameras. If there is a reason why
> it
> >> should go 4/3's as if its a fad it has a prerogative to join in on I'd
> like
> >> to know what it is. As is its a company whose mission has always been
> >> making
> >> a quality product and senselessly cutting its compact format in half
> does
> >> not add up.
> >> Eyes are 0n Leica now to come out with its answer to the Sony RX1 full
> >> frame
> >> compact. Not stupidly dumb itself down.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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>
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