Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Um, when I use my 4/3 rd Oly or my Pentax Kr DSLR (which is not too often anymore) and now my Sony A7r, I DON'T LEAVE IT (my M9) AT HOME. Nope, it comes to the party too. Sometimes, I shoot with my half-half-half-half-half-half-frame camera that came on my phone, even if I did have ten cameras and thirty lenses within reach at the moment. http://sonc.com/look/?p=3172 On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>wrote: > OK lets see I've gone out and spent seven grand usd on a Leica M40 to > enable > my tens of thousands of dollars of Leica glass but wait! Its a bit heavy!! > I'll just have to LEAVE IT AT HOME and carry a camera two formats smaller > instead! Nobody can tell the difference right! > NOT going to happen. > And if nobody can tell the difference why am I so heavily invested in full > frame? > > By the way there is a format between 2x and 1x corp. and Its 1.5 crop and > remains the most popular selling of DSLR cameras and certainly gives more > bang for the buck than any other format and lits looking like mirrorless > soon too. Many of these cameras exist in systems where you can use your > full > frame glass on them. They are nicely just a bit lighter and smaller. They > don't seem like something which came out of a box of Cracker Jacks. And in > a > studio strobe or otherwise non low light situation especially where you can > use the lowest iso' s they really may not tell the difference so much. Like > on the beach. At high noon. > But to split that in half and go further smaller with the inane 4/3's > format > calling it comparable to the work of top full frame cameras is really too > much. > A really great use for a camera half half frame (2x crop) is to put in > your > jeans pocket like a Minox which it would hopefully be the same size as. Or > the same size more realistically of a Rollei 35. Which come to think of it > is a full frame camera. > In other words a near sub compact format sensor belongs in a near sub > compact camera body.. > > > On 2/25/14 9:58 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote: > > > My photography interests are pretty varied so I'm maintaining a complete > Leica > > M9/M240 digital system, a Canon 5Dmk3 system, and a Micro 4/3 system > with the > > Olympus OMD EM-1. We do a lot of diving and my wife insists on a > full-frame > > system so she uses the 5Dmk3s, but I think she is slowly succumbing to > the > > siren call of Micro 4/3 because it is getting increasingly difficult to > tell > > the difference between our results underwater, not to mention that the > many > > usability advantages of the EM-1 often make it easier to get the shot at > all. > > It's no wonder they are currently outselling DLSRs by 6 to 1 for this > > application. I can choose to either use my EM-1 or our 2nd 5DMK3 body > > underwater, yet I choose the M4/3 simply because of usability, which is > a huge > > asset in that environment. Quality is already good enough with the EM-5 > and > > even better with the EM-1. Frankly, people are incredulous about the > results > > we are getting with M4/3 underwater these days and many are rethinking > whether > > the better IQ of full frame is really worth the incredible hassle and > expense > > of getting it to some of the more remote diving destinations. > > > > I'm trying to do more landscapes these days, especially infrared > landscapes. > > So when I have the luxury of working out of a car, and weight doesn't > matter, > > I have started to use the 5dMK3 system again. In fact, I just added the > 17mm > > and 24mm TS-E lenses to our kit for just this purpose. Also, we are > preparing > > to do some landscape astrophotography and the Canon is simply the best > tool > > for the job. > > > > With the advent of the Leica M240, the M system finally becomes truly > viable > > for landscape work. The EVF means I can frame accurately and position > things > > like grads properly. The R to M adapter makes it possible to use > telephotos > > and focus them accurately. Unfortunately, it doesn't looks like it will > ever > > be a suitable tool for landscape astro because none of the M wide angles > (24 > > and wider) are well-corrected enough for coma to work well. > > > > The point of all this is horses for courses. If I'm on a dive trip, I'm > > shooting M4/3 both above and below the water. If it's nighttime > landscapes, or > > landscapes where I can accommodate the weight and bulk, it's the Canon. > If I > > were going on a long trip during which I was doing a lot of walking > during the > > day and wanted the finest IQ, I'd go for the M240. If it is a long > > through-hike like 800km on the Camino de Santiago, which is a mix of > candids, > > landscapes in all sorts of light in in all sorts of weather conditions, > I'm > > taking an EM-5 or EM-1. And for everything else, general shooting around > home, > > I'm usually grabbing the EM-1 just because of all the cameras I have at > my > > disposal, none are as flexible, easy to use or as fun to use as the OMD > EM-1. > > > > This argument that people have about full-frame vs APS-C vs M4/3 is > ridiculous > > because each of those systems has its place. Of the three, APS-C probably > > makes the least sense IMO, because it occupies this nether world in > which the > > smaller sensor doesn't bring any corresponding reductions in weight or > bulk - > > the worst of both worlds. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Regards, Sonny http://sonc.com/look/ Natchitoches, Louisiana 1714 Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase USA