Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I would like to have more DR in the mid to high (shoulder) but SFAIK that is not in the cards with digital, MM or no. Maybe back to film? Noooooo..... Ken On 1/29/2014 6:17 PM, Henning Wulff wrote: > I would say expose for the highlights, because if they're overcooked > you'll never see them again. Process (develop) for the shadows. This is > closer to how one treated slide film and in that sense it's like all > digital files. With the MM files you just have more DR and can easily pull > things out from the shadows when necessary. > > Henning > > > On 2014-01-29, at 12:50 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote: > >> You are correct Lluis, over 16 years since I last developed a B&W film! >> Zone system all the way, spotmeter, exposure tests for base density then >> development tests for highlights all measured on a densitometer - how >> quickly I forgot :-( >> >> john >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> John, >> >> Are you sure of this? "expose for the highlights and develop for the >> shadows just like film..", what I remember is expose for the shadows and >> develop for the highlights., at least in the Ansel Adams book "The >> Negative"... >> >> Cheers >> Lluis >> >> >> El 28/01/2014, a las 03:32, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >> escribi?: >> >>> If you burn out the whites with the Monochrom there is no recovery >>> whereas there might be with colour. However the Monochrom can pull a lot >>> of detail from underexposed/shadow areas, so expose for the highlights >>> and develop for the shadows just like film...... >>> >>> The Monochrom images usually start flat and can pushed or pulled >>> almost any way you want ;-) >>> >>> john >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to TriX. >>> Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film. The MM image is an >>> unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB. How would that affect >>> the comparison, especially as this might affect web display? >>> >>> Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range >>> differences between film and digital especially as concerns b&w. For >>> film, the advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to >>> digital. How does the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder >>> vs. color digital cameras? >>> >>> Thx >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> On 1/27/2014 3:28 PM, Robert Rose wrote: >>>>> From these shots there seems to be no reason to prefer one over the >>>>> other, it is just an emotional preference. Perhaps the M9 has a >>>>> richer black, but in Lightroom you could boost the black point of the >>>>> MM image and achieve the same result as the M9. All of your images >>>>> are very good. >>>> If I had to choose I would think the M9 looked like Tri-X without the >>>> grain, and the MM looked like TMax. >>>> >>>> Tell us which you prefer, if you like one better that is. Also, for >>>> the M9 did you shoot in color and convert to B&W, or in jpg with the >>>> B&W setting? >>>> >>>> I prefer the M9, but that is probably because I already bought one. >>>> >>>> Bob Rose >>>> >>>> Message: 20 >>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:20:47 +0100 >>>> From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> >>>> Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Message-ID: <5498B81A-FBC7-4DCC-805C-D7F940A2394B at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> The casta?uelas seller >>>> >>>> Leica M9, Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038519. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> the previous one posted with the MM was this one: >>>> >>>> MM Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000827L >>>> R5w.jpg.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Young Couple >>>> >>>> Leica M9, Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038523. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> the previous one with the MM and Summilux 35 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000863. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c will be appreciated >>>> >>>> Saludos cordiales >>>> Lluis >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information