Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/29

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Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:50:19 +0000
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You are correct Lluis, over 16 years since I last developed a B&W film! Zone 
system all the way, spotmeter, exposure tests for base density then 
development tests for highlights all measured on a densitometer - how 
quickly I forgot :-(

john

-----Original Message-----


John,

Are you sure of this? "expose for the highlights and develop for the shadows 
just like film..", what I remember is expose for the shadows and develop for 
the highlights., at least in the Ansel Adams book "The Negative"...

Cheers
Lluis


El 28/01/2014, a las 03:32, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> escribi?:

> If you burn out the whites with the Monochrom there is no recovery whereas 
> there might be with colour. However the Monochrom can pull a lot of detail 
> from underexposed/shadow areas, so expose for the highlights and develop 
> for the shadows just like film......
> 
> The Monochrom images usually start flat and can pushed or pulled 
> almost any way you want ;-)
> 
> john
> ________________________________________
> 
> 
> The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to TriX.
> Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film.  The MM image is an 
> unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB.  How would that affect 
> the comparison, especially as this might affect web display?
> 
> Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range 
> differences between film and digital especially as concerns b&w.  For 
> film, the advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to 
> digital.  How does the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder 
> vs. color digital cameras?
> 
> Thx
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> On 1/27/2014 3:28 PM, Robert Rose wrote:
>>> From these shots there seems to be no reason to prefer one over the 
>>> other, it is just an emotional preference.  Perhaps the M9 has a richer 
>>> black, but in Lightroom you could boost the black point of the MM image 
>>> and achieve the same result as the M9.  All of your images are very good.
>> 
>> If I had to choose I would think the M9 looked like Tri-X without the 
>> grain, and the MM looked like TMax.
>> 
>> Tell us which you prefer, if you like one better that is.  Also, for the 
>> M9 did you shoot in color and convert to B&W, or in jpg with the B&W 
>> setting?
>> 
>> I prefer the M9, but that is probably because I already bought one.
>> 
>> Bob Rose
>> 
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:20:47 +0100
>> From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Message-ID: <5498B81A-FBC7-4DCC-805C-D7F940A2394B at gmail.com>
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>> 
>> The casta?uelas seller
>> 
>> Leica M9, Lux 75
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038519.
>> jpg.html>
>> 
>> the previous one posted with the MM was this one:
>> 
>> MM Lux 75
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000827L
>> R5w.jpg.html>
>> 
>> 
>> The Young Couple
>> 
>> Leica M9, Lux 75
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038523.
>> jpg.html>
>> 
>> the previous one with the MM and Summilux 35 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000863.
>> jpg.html>
>> 
>> Thanks for looking, your c&c will be appreciated
>> 
>> Saludos cordiales
>> Lluis
>> 


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