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Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 02:32:46 +0000
References: <K9V61n00z0AFV7C019V7m7>,<52E71094.5080901@cox.net>

If you burn out the whites with the Monochrom there is no recovery whereas 
there might be with colour. However the Monochrom can pull a lot of detail 
from underexposed/shadow areas, so expose for the highlights and develop for 
the shadows just like film......

The Monochrom images usually start flat and can pushed or pulled almost any 
way you want ;-)

john
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The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to TriX.
Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film.  The MM image is an
unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB.  How would that affect the
comparison, especially as this might affect web display?

Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range differences
between film and digital especially as concerns b&w.  For film, the
advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to digital.  How does
the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder vs. color digital
cameras?

Thx

Ken


On 1/27/2014 3:28 PM, Robert Rose wrote:
> >From these shots there seems to be no reason to prefer one over the 
> >other, it is just an emotional preference.  Perhaps the M9 has a richer 
> >black, but in Lightroom you could boost the black point of the MM image 
> >and achieve the same result as the M9.  All of your images are very good.
>
> If I had to choose I would think the M9 looked like Tri-X without the 
> grain, and the MM looked like TMax.
>
> Tell us which you prefer, if you like one better that is.  Also, for the 
> M9 did you shoot in color and convert to B&W, or in jpg with the B&W 
> setting?
>
> I prefer the M9, but that is probably because I already bought one.
>
> Bob Rose
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:20:47 +0100
> From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Message-ID: <5498B81A-FBC7-4DCC-805C-D7F940A2394B at gmail.com>
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>
> The casta?uelas seller
>
> Leica M9, Lux 75
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038519.jpg.html>
>
> the previous one posted with the MM was this one:
>
> MM Lux 75
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000827LR5w.jpg.html>
>
>
> The Young Couple
>
> Leica M9, Lux 75
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038523.jpg.html>
>
> the previous one with the MM and Summilux 35
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000863.jpg.html>
>
> Thanks for looking, your c&c will be appreciated
>
> Saludos cordiales
> Lluis
>


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