Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/11

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Subject: [Leica] Mini Me M release
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:09:59 -0400

X Pro 1 market being a cheap rangefinder with a crop sensor. Not Leica is
not going near that. They've stated that a long time ago. They didn't even
want the M8 to be cropped.


On 6/11/13 6:39 PM, "Christopher Williams" <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:

> I agree marketing the "mini M" was a bit misleading but I highly doubt 
> Leica
> will make a full frame interchangeable lens camera for under $5k. I don't
> think Leica is concerned about the X Pro 1 market.
> 
> M9's are under $4700 used.
> 
> 
> Chris Williams
> 504-231-6261
> www.zoeicaimages.net
> 
> Sent from my iholga
> 
> 
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Chris I think a lot of folks were hoping for a body with interchangeable
>> lenses similar to an xe1 or x pro 1. Not everyone can afford the $7 and
>> $8000.00 high end.
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-11, at 2:36 PM, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh just go create images!
>>> 
>>> Leica has a M-E,Monochrom & M 240. Fucking hell that's a pretty good line
>>> up. Who cares about the rest?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Williams
>>> www.zoeicaimages.net
>>> www.zoeica.com - blog
>>> Washington DC & New Orleans
>>> 504-231-6261
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Steve Huff mentioned in the first thing that he'd rather go out and get 
>>>> a
>>>> Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1 full frame for roughly the same bucks.
>>>> I certainly agree and I'm sure that opinion will end up being the
>>>> consensus.
>>>> Tests will show the pix coming out of the Sony wiping the smaller format
>>>> but
>>>> same priced Leica right out of the water.
>>>> 
>>>> Also the issue is which camera LOOKS more elegant
>>>> And I think its a tossup.
>>>> The Zeiss in front of the Sony is not so compact but is overwhelmingly
>>>> GORGEOUS. As is its inner design. Making us feel as we could take a 
>>>> great
>>>> shot of ANYTHING. with the images would prove us right.
>>>> The glass in front of the Leicas is certainly not going to appeal to
>>>> connsiouers of any ilk.  And the people with the big bucks are gonna 
>>>> wanna
>>>> know what the people in the know in the photo department think before 
>>>> the
>>>> pick out their latest classy photo neckwear. A lot of them.
>>>> 
>>>> So we're going to have the company which makes the walkmans winning the
>>>> compact camera war with the company which makes the best cameras. Leica.
>>>> A huge thing for Sony. A huge not so good thing for Leica.
>>>> 
>>>> Shooting with the Sony would be a far more exciting and rewarding
>>>> experience.
>>>> And this kind of thing should belong to Leica.
>>>> Its like coming in second on purpose and having your pretending you won
>>>> speech all written out ahead of time.
>>>> "don't look at the camera behind the mirror"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/11/13 9:41 AM, "Ric Carter" <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> sounds like a replay of my Leica Z2X
>>>>> 
>>>>> which feels decidely unLeica
>>>>> 
>>>>> ric
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Scott Gregory <scottgregory at mac.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark I totally agree. What are they thinking?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A total let down.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2013-06-11, at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Putting a zoom on an X does not as Leica specifically stated put it
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>> an M and an X.
>>>>>>> it put it between an X and a  Panasonic Lumix.
>>>>>>> Super bad thinking on the part of Leica.
>>>>>>> Not a step up from an X but two steps down.
>>>>>>> The stock holders will be happy about the lowering of the Brand.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Whenever the classic point and shoots, Contax T, Nikon T, Ricoh GR,
>>>>>>> Minox 35
>>>>>>> finally sold out with a zoom model which of course brought in the big
>>>>>>> bucks
>>>>>>> from the idiot crowds they were widely ignored and reviled by the
>>>>>>> connoisseurs; it was not good news.
>>>>>>> A fast unobtrusive and elegant camera became slow and bulgy.
>>>>>>> It was "time to make some money and pay some bills" news.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Instead of a drum roll Leica needed to sneak this out with a whisper.
>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>> everyone was on vacation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ... A few of the famous film super compact 35's never came out in 
>>>>>>> zoom
>>>>>>> versions. The Rollei 35 was one and I think also the Minox 35.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/11/13 9:01 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Very sad. 
>>>>>>>> They said it would be an M.
>>>>>>>> but instead its an idiot X.
>>>>>>>> for people with more money than sense.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> They will look like they are shooting with a real Leica.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Normally a thing rushed out like this I'd not believe for a second 
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fact that he's giving the UPC code of the camera as 799429184308 and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> UPC
>>>>>>>> code and price  and code of all the accessories it does sound like a
>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>> rumor. But a leak. And I'm fond of leaks now having seen the 
>>>>>>>> Wikileaks
>>>>>>>> movie.
>>>>>>>> Or they are good at making up  lists UPC numbers.
>>>>>>>> I'm crossing my figures its a sick joke or a bad dream.
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
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