Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Actually the photography media photographers do are not looked down upon by anybody in the photo industry the line between gallery shooters and media shooters has long vanished (read Magnum ((read Leica)) ) A glance a the PICTURES OF THE DAY or PICTURES OF THE WEEK from ones news feed will most often be very inspiring with many examples of shots which knock ones socks off and leave one feeling very inadequate in the face of it. These guys are on the front lines shooting every day they're not home watching television. On the camera lists when the collectors don't like it when top photographers camera techniques conflict with their own they put down the top photographers entire work group/ethic/lifestyle. Its not a viable profession and we are all a bunch of schlock artists who don't care about our work that's why we use: auto focas High iso' s. DSLR'S Don't always shoot wide open but actually stop down whenever we can Use Auto modes I want a new puppy. The arrogance of this is pretty overwhelming and is really without any precedent I can think of in other discussion groups. "Ignore those top pro photographers all think about is money! They don't care about their pictures!" its pretty comical. On 6/10/13 1:15 AM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > Well, you are the first in that case to shoot on P mode (-: > There is no argument on pros shooting on A mode, so don't go on and on > about > it. > Anyway, media photographs are there to capture a newsworthy moment, so > anything goes that will do so, even low spec mobile phones! That is hardly > the > gold standard for photography that others are measured by. > By the way, I never twiddle dials either, and I am never on P mode. > Cheers > Jayanand > > Sent from my iPad > > On 10-Jun-2013, at 10:25 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> If you think an Auto setting makes things out of your controll in your >> shooting then you've not even thought about trying to master your camera >> and >> modern shooting techniques. >> >> That pros would not shoot at an A or P setting has long been a fallacy >> propaged by rich camera collectors as they study their bids on their eBay >> screen. >> When the A setting first came out photographers were reluctant at first to >> admit they'd use it. But its been a long time since its been out in the >> open >> that most do and the P setting as well. >> >> I'll use a P setting when I know I don't need to be stopping down to >> specific f stops and lighting is changing fast and I'm ok with shooting >> wide >> open at various shutter speeds. Or I'll also use it with a quite high >> minimum iso plugged in so it gets stopped down more quickly. Like I set >> the >> minim iso to 500 to 800 which for most use are totally viable iso' s. High >> rez even. >> In other words I'm shooting so fast I really don't have time to dial in >> various f stop options. And just need to seeing the subject through the >> finder and shooing. Not turning dials. And im not just talking me. >> You see a group of photographers shooting they're never turning dials. >> They're just shooting. >> >> I think what warmed up a lot of photographers to an auto setting was >> surprisingly the thyristor driven Vivitar 283 and 285's flashes not >> cameras. >> And that was the early 70's. 42 years ago. >> We all used them at an auto setting. The blue one. Making our photography >> in effect auto exposure. It was not long after that we'd also have the A >> setting on the camera as well and we'd certainly use it. When the P >> settings >> came out there resistance was futile. We all used it and few of us were >> too >> ashamed to admit it. >> The P setting functionality is totally usable if not near necessary in a >> serious or professional fast breaking situation. I cant think of a >> photographer I've ever met who would simply ignore such a basic boost of >> functionality built into their camera. Maybe not all the time but then >> again >> plenty do. >> >> Yes it can be lived without. >> One can use manual focus Leicas with more low tech options and be >> competitive with how we shoot and the results we get. >> >> A few years ago before the M7 and M8 we all said any kind of A setting at >> all on a Leica was unnecessary. But when it happened it was widely >> embraced. >> If the P ever hits Leica M I'm sure it will not be ignored any an more >> than >> any technology advance which is put into the camera. Like video. >> You guys act as if its beneath you. If you were doing it for a living >> you'd >> be singing a different tune. >> >> Digital photography has made things much less a crap shoot. >> We can go back a few as we are shooting and crimp and see how the camera >> is >> handling the situations we are putting it through at the settings we have >> it >> set at. And if the settings are not quite right we can alter them and >> shoot >> some more. >> The P setting in most cases makes for faster shooting with more >> concentration on the subject and not the camera. >> >> So I'm NOT talking BOTH the F stops and shutter speeds are automatic >> I'm talking ALL the settings, aperture, shutter and ISO are automatic. >> Three count'em. Guess what? You don't die! >> I'd seriously deal with it as the vast majority of pictures you see >> everyday >> from the media are done that way. >> >> >> >> >> On 6/9/13 9:33 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> No shooter I know is EVER on Program Mode! >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think you'll find that most, make that pretty much all of the known >>>> shooters if they're not at P they are most certainly at A. >>>> A 35mm camera is all about speed... Shooting very fast. >>>> >>>> Photography fortunately is not philosophy or theoretical physics. >>>> Its tangible results. And those results are photographs which you can >>>> hold >>>> in your hand or look at on the wall or a Bing or Google contact sheet >>>> search. They are a matter of public record. >>>> You really think when you see a shot of anything on the news or street >>>> shooting you are looking at a photographer whose set the shutter speed >>>> and >>>> f >>>> stop for that particular picture. And iso? >>>> And my photographs and the photographs of the vast majority of shooters >>>> all >>>> using various auto modes are matter of record. All you have to do is >>>> look >>>> at >>>> them. And do to that you by contact sheet Binging or Goggling them. >>>> >>>> Shooting a camera it in the foot by disabling its main features is only >>>> smart a vast non majority of the time... >>>> Even when you're shooting a thing standing still you're in a fast moving >>>> situation because YOU are fast moving. >>>> If you're slow moving use a Rolleiflex or a view camera. At full manual. >>>> >>>> Oh and its great John turned off the auto ISO the minute he got his new >>>> camera we'd not want to have him confused dealing with something new. >>>> >>>> On 6/8/13 2:21 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 PM, John McMaster wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> One of the first things I did with my M is turn off auto-ASA, why do I >>>> want >>>>>> to not be in control of my photos? >>>>> >>>>> most especially if one disdains any sort of "auto-post-process" ? >>>>> >>>>> Personally I don't like or use auto anything >>>>> unless I'm feeling lazy or shooting extremely fast action sports, >>>> events, etc. >>>>> (which has become fairly rare) >>>>> >>>>> different strokes for different folks >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> George Lottermoser >>>>> george at imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/