Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well, you are the first in that case to shoot on P mode (-: There is no argument on pros shooting on A mode, so don't go on and on about it. Anyway, media photographs are there to capture a newsworthy moment, so anything goes that will do so, even low spec mobile phones! That is hardly the gold standard for photography that others are measured by. By the way, I never twiddle dials either, and I am never on P mode. Cheers Jayanand Sent from my iPad On 10-Jun-2013, at 10:25 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > If you think an Auto setting makes things out of your controll in your > shooting then you've not even thought about trying to master your camera > and > modern shooting techniques. > > That pros would not shoot at an A or P setting has long been a fallacy > propaged by rich camera collectors as they study their bids on their eBay > screen. > When the A setting first came out photographers were reluctant at first to > admit they'd use it. But its been a long time since its been out in the > open > that most do and the P setting as well. > > I'll use a P setting when I know I don't need to be stopping down to > specific f stops and lighting is changing fast and I'm ok with shooting > wide > open at various shutter speeds. Or I'll also use it with a quite high > minimum iso plugged in so it gets stopped down more quickly. Like I set the > minim iso to 500 to 800 which for most use are totally viable iso' s. High > rez even. > In other words I'm shooting so fast I really don't have time to dial in > various f stop options. And just need to seeing the subject through the > finder and shooing. Not turning dials. And im not just talking me. > You see a group of photographers shooting they're never turning dials. > They're just shooting. > > I think what warmed up a lot of photographers to an auto setting was > surprisingly the thyristor driven Vivitar 283 and 285's flashes not > cameras. > And that was the early 70's. 42 years ago. > We all used them at an auto setting. The blue one. Making our photography > in effect auto exposure. It was not long after that we'd also have the A > setting on the camera as well and we'd certainly use it. When the P > settings > came out there resistance was futile. We all used it and few of us were > too > ashamed to admit it. > The P setting functionality is totally usable if not near necessary in a > serious or professional fast breaking situation. I cant think of a > photographer I've ever met who would simply ignore such a basic boost of > functionality built into their camera. Maybe not all the time but then > again > plenty do. > > Yes it can be lived without. > One can use manual focus Leicas with more low tech options and be > competitive with how we shoot and the results we get. > > A few years ago before the M7 and M8 we all said any kind of A setting at > all on a Leica was unnecessary. But when it happened it was widely > embraced. > If the P ever hits Leica M I'm sure it will not be ignored any an more than > any technology advance which is put into the camera. Like video. > You guys act as if its beneath you. If you were doing it for a living you'd > be singing a different tune. > > Digital photography has made things much less a crap shoot. > We can go back a few as we are shooting and crimp and see how the camera is > handling the situations we are putting it through at the settings we have > it > set at. And if the settings are not quite right we can alter them and shoot > some more. > The P setting in most cases makes for faster shooting with more > concentration on the subject and not the camera. > > So I'm NOT talking BOTH the F stops and shutter speeds are automatic > I'm talking ALL the settings, aperture, shutter and ISO are automatic. > Three count'em. Guess what? You don't die! > I'd seriously deal with it as the vast majority of pictures you see > everyday > from the media are done that way. > > > > > On 6/9/13 9:33 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: > >> No shooter I know is EVER on Program Mode! >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I think you'll find that most, make that pretty much all of the known >>> shooters if they're not at P they are most certainly at A. >>> A 35mm camera is all about speed... Shooting very fast. >>> >>> Photography fortunately is not philosophy or theoretical physics. >>> Its tangible results. And those results are photographs which you can >>> hold >>> in your hand or look at on the wall or a Bing or Google contact sheet >>> search. They are a matter of public record. >>> You really think when you see a shot of anything on the news or street >>> shooting you are looking at a photographer whose set the shutter speed >>> and >>> f >>> stop for that particular picture. And iso? >>> And my photographs and the photographs of the vast majority of shooters >>> all >>> using various auto modes are matter of record. All you have to do is look >>> at >>> them. And do to that you by contact sheet Binging or Goggling them. >>> >>> Shooting a camera it in the foot by disabling its main features is only >>> smart a vast non majority of the time... >>> Even when you're shooting a thing standing still you're in a fast moving >>> situation because YOU are fast moving. >>> If you're slow moving use a Rolleiflex or a view camera. At full manual. >>> >>> Oh and its great John turned off the auto ISO the minute he got his new >>> camera we'd not want to have him confused dealing with something new. >>> >>> On 6/8/13 2:21 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 PM, John McMaster wrote: >>>> >>>>> One of the first things I did with my M is turn off auto-ASA, why do I >>> want >>>>> to not be in control of my photos? >>>> >>>> most especially if one disdains any sort of "auto-post-process" ? >>>> >>>> Personally I don't like or use auto anything >>>> unless I'm feeling lazy or shooting extremely fast action sports, >>> events, etc. >>>> (which has become fairly rare) >>>> >>>> different strokes for different folks >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> George Lottermoser >>>> george at imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information