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Subject: [Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience
From: photobynelsch at gmail.com (Bill Nelsch)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:45:52 -0600
References: <CAAsXt4NC4i7yKoWwQ9HqsAyYG8B6uPNqWu001f=Bwj6AXcUKZQ@mail.gmail.com> <5EF98569-14CA-4D12-9DA2-4216510AA0AC@acm.org> <CA+yJO1BU6GEp1GQFtFV-UztC-ouYa8q2axjd9+3OY=O+g7UKpw@mail.gmail.com> <CA+yJO1Cpv9sa_WHHM6ezLZKWHrShB9xLYOnvz0Lannf-WrGLxQ@mail.gmail.com> <A3849799-AE6A-454F-A76A-7C5FA6AC17AC@ameritech.net> <52374670-BC05-4E2C-93C5-9EF3A59EF4FC@yahoo.com>

I am still wondering about how the Type 240 works with R lenses?  Does the
focus assist really work with R lenses?  Since you can only use the EVF to
focus the R lens does that mean that all of your shots are going to have
the shutter delay?  So far I haven't read any user experience vis a vis the
red headed stepchild R system and before I bail on my DMR I would really
like to know if this is in fact an "R Solution"?

Bill in Denver


On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:30 AM, <curtisbliss at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think the original color could have been changed to black and white
> preserving more of the values, but of course I love both cameras and have
> never seen or touched either!
>
> Curt
>
> CB's
>
> Ipad
>
> On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> 
> wrote:
>
> > Surprisingly little difference.
> >
> > Dante
> >
> > On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> >
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Tina
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I did that:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146447879
> >>>
> >>> Converted with Silver Efex from
> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427043
> >>>
> >>> Compared to MM
> >>>
> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427044
> >>>
> >>> I prefer the MM.
> >>>
> >>> Tina
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It would be interesting to see a comparison of the same picture done
> a)
> >>>> with a Monochrome and b) with an M9 and converted to B&W with the best
> >>>> software, which I assume is probably not LR.
> >>>>
> >>>> Herbert Kanner
> >>>> kanner at acm.org
> >>>> 650-326-8204
> >>>>
> >>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday I went to Samy's in Los Angeles where they had just
> received
> >>>>> their demo M. I was able to play with it for about 1-1/2 hours using
> my
> >>>>> lenses and SD card, but just inside the store in the Leica section.
> >>>> What I
> >>>>> noted was:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good:
> >>>>> 1.   The smoothness of the shutter is wonderful. No "kick" back on my
> >>>>> finger, like in the M8 and to a lesser degree the M9. Buttery, quiet
> >>>> and no
> >>>>> noticeable lag. EXTREMELY impressed!
> >>>>> 2.   The averaging (matrix) metering mode works very well. I had it
> on
> >>>> the
> >>>>> classic mode for some shots and the highlights were blown because
> there
> >>>> was
> >>>>> a lot of black wall which metered gray. On the new "Advanced" mode it
> >>>>> figured this out and I got a decent histogram.
> >>>>> 3.   The rangefinder is crisp and accurate. Lines were white for mine
> >>>> and
> >>>>> easy to see/use.
> >>>>> 4.   The files are bigger (duh)
> >>>>> 5.   The shutter response time, when not using live view/focus
> peaking,
> >>>>> seemed faster than the M9. It was certainly noticeably quieter.
> >>>>> 6.   With live view, when you turn the lens to focus, the live view
> >>>> goes to
> >>>>> the same magnification level (0, 5X or 10X) that you last used.
> >>>>> 7.   Live view, through the EVF, does show depth of field.
> >>>>> 8.   Nice LCD screen on the back, though I would not use it except to
> >>>> see
> >>>>> the histogram...
> >>>>> 9.   The camera feels very nice in your hands. Definitely a Leica M.
> The
> >>>>> thumb ridge is great.
> >>>>> 10.  Base plate is much sturdier; not tinny as on the M9.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not so good:
> >>>>> 1.   Focus peaking did not work for me on eyes. For portraits of non
> >>>> moving
> >>>>> folks, you can use live view to see your focus on the eyes,
> >>>> etc.(especially
> >>>>> magnified 5 or 10X) and also see your DOF, but no focus peeking
> >>>> indicators
> >>>>> showed where the focus was.
> >>>>> 2.   Live view does not magnify after turning the lens until after a
> >>>> very
> >>>>> noticeable pause; my guess is about 1 second. A real delay...
> >>>>> 3.   There is a noticeable shutter release lag when using live view.
> >>>> VERY
> >>>>> noticeable. From what I've read, the shutter is open for live view
> and
> >>>> must
> >>>>> close and then fire. In rangefinder mode, as noted above, there is
> >>>>> absolutely no lag.
> >>>>> 4.   ISO above 1600 (even 1/2 stop more at 2000) is not useful. Just
> a
> >>>>> really big difference between 1600 and 2000 to the dark areas showing
> >>>> large
> >>>>> blotches.
> >>>>> 5.   I had trouble finding how to set EV (I usually shoot at -1/3
> just
> >>>> to
> >>>>> ensure I don't blow highlights). Probably my lack of knowledge of the
> >>>> menu
> >>>>> system (which has changed), so most likely not the camera's fault...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Conclusion: This camera is every bit an M with minor improvements
> FOR ME
> >>>>> over the M9, the biggest of which is the sensor size. Live view seems
> >>>> to be
> >>>>> made for movie making (which I did not test and would not use) or
> >>>>> landscapes. Not for street/family shooting. The shutter is sweet. The
> >>>> ISO
> >>>>> performance minimally improved. Though I was excited about the
> camera,
> >>>>> especially using Live View with focus peeking to shoot my family and
> >>>> street
> >>>>> work, it basically is not usable, IMO, for that. The larger sensor
> does
> >>>>> nothing for me as this is not my landscape camera. Most likely when
> my
> >>>>> number comes up on various dealers' lists to buy the M, I won't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course I have specific uses for my Ms. For my needs, the
> >>>> improvements I
> >>>>> saw did not warrant the cost of a replacement for my M9.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then I tested a Monochrom... I'm trying not to think about what I
> >>>>> experienced to save my marriage...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just thought I'd pass this along. Happy to answer any questions.
> >>>>> Bob
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Bob Adler
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Tina Manley
> >>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tina Manley
> >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> >>
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