Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/02
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Dante On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote: > What do you think? > > Tina > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> > wrote: > >> I did that: >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146447879 >> >> Converted with Silver Efex from >> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427043 >> >> Compared to MM >> >> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427044 >> >> I prefer the MM. >> >> Tina >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote: >> >>> It would be interesting to see a comparison of the same picture done a) >>> with a Monochrome and b) with an M9 and converted to B&W with the best >>> software, which I assume is probably not LR. >>> >>> Herbert Kanner >>> kanner at acm.org >>> 650-326-8204 >>> >>> Question authority and the authorities will question you. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Friday I went to Samy's in Los Angeles where they had just received >>>> their demo M. I was able to play with it for about 1-1/2 hours using my >>>> lenses and SD card, but just inside the store in the Leica section. >>> What I >>>> noted was: >>>> >>>> Good: >>>> 1. The smoothness of the shutter is wonderful. No "kick" back on my >>>> finger, like in the M8 and to a lesser degree the M9. Buttery, quiet >>> and no >>>> noticeable lag. EXTREMELY impressed! >>>> 2. The averaging (matrix) metering mode works very well. I had it on >>> the >>>> classic mode for some shots and the highlights were blown because there >>> was >>>> a lot of black wall which metered gray. On the new "Advanced" mode it >>>> figured this out and I got a decent histogram. >>>> 3. The rangefinder is crisp and accurate. Lines were white for mine >>> and >>>> easy to see/use. >>>> 4. The files are bigger (duh) >>>> 5. The shutter response time, when not using live view/focus peaking, >>>> seemed faster than the M9. It was certainly noticeably quieter. >>>> 6. With live view, when you turn the lens to focus, the live view >>> goes to >>>> the same magnification level (0, 5X or 10X) that you last used. >>>> 7. Live view, through the EVF, does show depth of field. >>>> 8. Nice LCD screen on the back, though I would not use it except to >>> see >>>> the histogram... >>>> 9. The camera feels very nice in your hands. Definitely a Leica M. The >>>> thumb ridge is great. >>>> 10. Base plate is much sturdier; not tinny as on the M9. >>>> >>>> Not so good: >>>> 1. Focus peaking did not work for me on eyes. For portraits of non >>> moving >>>> folks, you can use live view to see your focus on the eyes, >>> etc.(especially >>>> magnified 5 or 10X) and also see your DOF, but no focus peeking >>> indicators >>>> showed where the focus was. >>>> 2. Live view does not magnify after turning the lens until after a >>> very >>>> noticeable pause; my guess is about 1 second. A real delay... >>>> 3. There is a noticeable shutter release lag when using live view. >>> VERY >>>> noticeable. From what I've read, the shutter is open for live view and >>> must >>>> close and then fire. In rangefinder mode, as noted above, there is >>>> absolutely no lag. >>>> 4. ISO above 1600 (even 1/2 stop more at 2000) is not useful. Just a >>>> really big difference between 1600 and 2000 to the dark areas showing >>> large >>>> blotches. >>>> 5. I had trouble finding how to set EV (I usually shoot at -1/3 just >>> to >>>> ensure I don't blow highlights). Probably my lack of knowledge of the >>> menu >>>> system (which has changed), so most likely not the camera's fault... >>>> >>>> Conclusion: This camera is every bit an M with minor improvements FOR ME >>>> over the M9, the biggest of which is the sensor size. Live view seems >>> to be >>>> made for movie making (which I did not test and would not use) or >>>> landscapes. Not for street/family shooting. The shutter is sweet. The >>> ISO >>>> performance minimally improved. Though I was excited about the camera, >>>> especially using Live View with focus peeking to shoot my family and >>> street >>>> work, it basically is not usable, IMO, for that. The larger sensor does >>>> nothing for me as this is not my landscape camera. Most likely when my >>>> number comes up on various dealers' lists to buy the M, I won't. >>>> >>>> Of course I have specific uses for my Ms. For my needs, the >>> improvements I >>>> saw did not warrant the cost of a replacement for my M9. >>>> >>>> Then I tested a Monochrom... I'm trying not to think about what I >>>> experienced to save my marriage... >>>> >>>> Just thought I'd pass this along. Happy to answer any questions. >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bob Adler >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> -- >> Tina Manley >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > > > -- > Tina Manley > http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information