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Subject: [Leica] Leica M (Type 240) Experience
From: tcharara at mac.com (Tarek Charara)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:59:33 +0200
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I think that I would get he MM as soon as I have the extra cash? :) 


Le 2 juin 2013 ? 18:55, Tina Manley a ?crit :

> What do you think?
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I did that:
>> 
>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146447879
>> 
>> Converted with Silver Efex from
>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427043
>> 
>> Compared to MM
>> 
>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427044
>> 
>> I prefer the MM.
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> It would be interesting to see a comparison of the same picture done a)
>>> with a Monochrome and b) with an M9 and converted to B&W with the best
>>> software, which I assume is probably not LR.
>>> 
>>> Herbert Kanner
>>> kanner at acm.org
>>> 650-326-8204
>>> 
>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Friday I went to Samy's in Los Angeles where they had just received
>>>> their demo M. I was able to play with it for about 1-1/2 hours using my
>>>> lenses and SD card, but just inside the store in the Leica section.
>>> What I
>>>> noted was:
>>>> 
>>>> Good:
>>>> 1.   The smoothness of the shutter is wonderful. No "kick" back on my
>>>> finger, like in the M8 and to a lesser degree the M9. Buttery, quiet
>>> and no
>>>> noticeable lag. EXTREMELY impressed!
>>>> 2.   The averaging (matrix) metering mode works very well. I had it on
>>> the
>>>> classic mode for some shots and the highlights were blown because there
>>> was
>>>> a lot of black wall which metered gray. On the new "Advanced" mode it
>>>> figured this out and I got a decent histogram.
>>>> 3.   The rangefinder is crisp and accurate. Lines were white for mine
>>> and
>>>> easy to see/use.
>>>> 4.   The files are bigger (duh)
>>>> 5.   The shutter response time, when not using live view/focus peaking,
>>>> seemed faster than the M9. It was certainly noticeably quieter.
>>>> 6.   With live view, when you turn the lens to focus, the live view
>>> goes to
>>>> the same magnification level (0, 5X or 10X) that you last used.
>>>> 7.   Live view, through the EVF, does show depth of field.
>>>> 8.   Nice LCD screen on the back, though I would not use it except to
>>> see
>>>> the histogram...
>>>> 9.   The camera feels very nice in your hands. Definitely a Leica M. The
>>>> thumb ridge is great.
>>>> 10.  Base plate is much sturdier; not tinny as on the M9.
>>>> 
>>>> Not so good:
>>>> 1.   Focus peaking did not work for me on eyes. For portraits of non
>>> moving
>>>> folks, you can use live view to see your focus on the eyes,
>>> etc.(especially
>>>> magnified 5 or 10X) and also see your DOF, but no focus peeking
>>> indicators
>>>> showed where the focus was.
>>>> 2.   Live view does not magnify after turning the lens until after a
>>> very
>>>> noticeable pause; my guess is about 1 second. A real delay...
>>>> 3.   There is a noticeable shutter release lag when using live view.
>>> VERY
>>>> noticeable. From what I've read, the shutter is open for live view and
>>> must
>>>> close and then fire. In rangefinder mode, as noted above, there is
>>>> absolutely no lag.
>>>> 4.   ISO above 1600 (even 1/2 stop more at 2000) is not useful. Just a
>>>> really big difference between 1600 and 2000 to the dark areas showing
>>> large
>>>> blotches.
>>>> 5.   I had trouble finding how to set EV (I usually shoot at -1/3 just
>>> to
>>>> ensure I don't blow highlights). Probably my lack of knowledge of the
>>> menu
>>>> system (which has changed), so most likely not the camera's fault...
>>>> 
>>>> Conclusion: This camera is every bit an M with minor improvements FOR ME
>>>> over the M9, the biggest of which is the sensor size. Live view seems
>>> to be
>>>> made for movie making (which I did not test and would not use) or
>>>> landscapes. Not for street/family shooting. The shutter is sweet. The
>>> ISO
>>>> performance minimally improved. Though I was excited about the camera,
>>>> especially using Live View with focus peeking to shoot my family and
>>> street
>>>> work, it basically is not usable, IMO, for that. The larger sensor does
>>>> nothing for me as this is not my landscape camera. Most likely when my
>>>> number comes up on various dealers' lists to buy the M, I won't.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course I have specific uses for my Ms. For my needs, the
>>> improvements I
>>>> saw did not warrant the cost of a replacement for my M9.
>>>> 
>>>> Then I tested a Monochrom... I'm trying not to think about what I
>>>> experienced to save my marriage...
>>>> 
>>>> Just thought I'd pass this along. Happy to answer any questions.
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Adler
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
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