Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]That is certainly a very good definition of the law! As I expected, it is the telephoto lens and the expectation of privacy that are crucial to determining if the photos are invasion of privacy. I think they are! Besides, they are not that interesting - a violation of artistic privilege ;-) He seems to have a good publicist which is the most important element of being successful these days! Tina On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Bryan Caldwell <bcaldwell51 at earthlink.net>wrote: > I hope all will forgive my longtime absence from the LUG - actually, more > silence than absence, but as a lawyer and law professor in California I > might be able to shed a little light here. Keep in mind that the U.S., like > Great Britain, is a common law country - not everything is statutory - so > what seem like simple questions often have very indefinite and complex > answers. Civil liability can be imposed by statute, but it also can arise > through the common law history of court decisions. And, even if imposed by > statute, the statute in question is subject to constitutional challenge. > These types of cases have often ventured into First Amendment issues of > both freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Also, the case in question > is in New York and this type of liability (assuming we're not venturing > into copyright issues) could be drastically different from state to state. > But, it wouldn't surprise me if California and New York had very similar > law in this regard. > > I can only speak to California law. In the year following the death of > Princess Diana, the California Legislature enacted California Civil Code > section 1708.8 (the current version went into effect two years ago), which, > so far, has been upheld by the California courts. Keep in mind that > California is a hotbed of Paparazzi activity. 1708.8 has two relevant > subsections which are interrelated . Pay very close attention to the exact > language: > > (a) A person is liable for physical invasion of privacy when the defendant > knowingly enters onto the land of another person without permission or > otherwise committed a trespass without permission or otherwise committed a > trespass in order to physically invade the privacy of the plaintiff with > the intent to capture any type of visual image, sound recording, or other > physical impression of the plaintiff engaging in a personal or familial > activity and the physical invasion occurs in a manner that is offensive to > a reasonable person. > > (b) A person is liable for constructive invasion of privacy when the > defendant attempts to capture, in a manner that is offensive to a > reasonable person, any type of visual image, sound recording, or other > physical impression of the plaintiff engaging in a personal or familial > activity under circumstances in which the plaintiff had a reasonable > expectation of privacy, through the use of a visual or audio enhancing > device, regardless of whether there is a physical trespass, if this image > could not have been achieved without a trespass unless the visual or > auditory enhancing device was used. > > The meaning of the "vague" terms, "reasonable person, " "offensive," > "reasonable expectation of privacy," etc., with regard to a particular set > of facts, would likely be decided by a jury. > > So, the end result is that a picture of a protected activity taken with a > telephoto lens (a "visual enhancing device") while not on the plaintiff's > property, could still lead to liability if the picture could not have been > taken without the telephoto lens without committing a physical trespass. > For those who think this is all semantics, try writing a statute that takes > into account all foreseeable possibilities and technologies. It's not easy > and the result is rarely simple. > > The other significant factor about section 1708.8 is that it can result in > treble damages, a civil fine of $5,000-50,000, punitive damages (when done > commercially) and disgorgement (to the plaintiff) of any resulting profits > from sale of the images. > > But, having said all that, it still would appear to me that, under the > right circumstances, this statute might be very susceptible to challenge as > violative of the First Amendment. For some time in the U.S., invasion of > privacy actions have been on the wane in favor of freedom of speech and > freedom of the press. > > > Sorry to go on so long, > > Bryan > > > On May 26, 2013, at 2:51 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> > wrote: > > > > > On May 26, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > > > >> this could result in new case law that restricts all our options. > > > > yup. > > stepping up to and over a line > > is pretty much where every "law" has come from. > > > > Regards, > > George Lottermoser > > george at imagist.com > > http://www.imagist.com > > http://www.imagist.com/blog > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > -- Tina Manley, ASMP www.tinamanley.com