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Subject: [Leica] IMG: M8 vs. OM-D, real people pictures
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Robert Adler)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:39:44 -0800
References: <50DE77C0.3050107@threshinc.com>

Thanks for posting these and for your analysis Peter.
The biggest difference, IMO, is the background. There really isn't that
much out of focus with the OM; no softness or feeling of depth. Wide open
on the OM looks like f/4 on many of my M9 shots.
Again, thanks for taking the time to put this together. I don't often get
into these discussions, but your images affirm my opinion that the smaller
the sensor, the less control one has with the image with aperture changes.
Best,
Bob

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> wrote:

> The following is unscientific, but probably useful.  These pictures were
> shot at the same house, in the same general situation (festive occasions),
> with much the same lighting, some of the same people, and too much food.
> The difference is that the first picture of each pair below was taken with
> a Leica M8 and 35/1.4 Summilux ASPH at ISO 640.  The second picture of each
> pair (Christmas Eve this year) was taken with an OM-D E-M5 and a Panasonic
> 20/1.7 at ISO 3200. Each pair was taken at roughly the same place, and so
> has similar lighting unless the bulbs were changed to something different
> in between the pictures.
>
> Both lenses were used somewhere between wide open and closed down one
> stop.  Everything was shot RAW and processed with Capture One, using the
> defaults, and making the white balance look reasonably good to my eye, but
> without my trying to go against the basic nature of the camera.
>
>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/friends/**
> erevxmas2011/L1008813.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/erevxmas2011/L1008813.jpg.html>
> **>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/**
> PC240049-w.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240049-w.jpg.html>
> >
>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/friends/**
> NewYear2011-12/L1009035.jpg.**html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/NewYear2011-12/L1009035.jpg.html>
> >
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/**
> PC240053-w.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240053-w.jpg.html>
> >
>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/friends/**
> erevxmas2011/L1008832.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/erevxmas2011/L1008832.jpg.html>
> **>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/**
> PC240067-w.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240067-w.jpg.html>
> >
>
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/friends/**
> ErevXmas09/L1005913.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/ErevXmas09/L1005913.jpg.html>
> >
> <http://gallery.leica-users.**org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/**
> PC240069-w.jpg.html<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240069-w.jpg.html>
> >
>
> Feel free to browse the rest of the folders if you want to see more.
>
> Here's what I'm seeing so far:
>
> 1. The M8 with 35mm Summilux is clearly sharper when properly focused. But
> the E-M5 with 20/1.7 is quite usable. Note that the difference in sharpness
> is less when both cameras are set at ISO 800, but it is still there, and
> you can see it even in these Web-sized JPGs.
> 2. Despite the E-M5's wonderful image stabilization, I can get sharper
> shots at ~1/60 with the M8 than I can with the E-M5.
> 3. The M8 is biased towards pink/magenta, the E-M5 towards yellow. (Yes,
> I'm using an IR filter on the M8).
> 4. The E-M5 at 3200 is a bit noisier than the M8 at 640. From other
> sessions not shown here, I see that at 800/640 the E-M5 seems a little less
> noisy than the M8 in the shadows. So 1600 may be the "sweet spot" for the
> E-M5. I'm going to shoot New Year's Eve at ISO 1600 rather than 3200, and
> see how that fares.
>
> --Peter
>
>
>
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Bob Adler


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