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Subject: [Leica] IMG: M8 vs. OM-D, real people pictures
From: ken at iisaka.com (Ken Iisaka)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:15:17 -0800
References: <50DE77C0.3050107@threshinc.com> <AA484138-9DAA-4A7F-B417-D8DFC3E525E2@embarqmail.com>

Having given up all of my Leica equipment to a non-photographer ex-wife, I 
am taking the majority of photos using my E-M5 with the Panny 20 mm or Zuiko 
45 mm now.

Not surprisingly, I was doing better with the M8 and 35/1.4 at 640 than I 
have been with the E-M5 at 400.

A part of the difference comes not from the technical attributes of the 
cameras and lenses, but I have always found Leicas to be "engaging."  I 
probably squeeze the shutter release with more determination, with my breath 
held and between the heart beats. With the E-M5, I am only slightly more 
engaged than I am with the iPhone. Also the Leica is a lot steadier in hand, 
too.

Also, I have a feeling that the in-body stabilization is turned off above 
some shutter speed. If I am not careful, I often get blurry pictures with 
the E-M5, I've found.

Still, the E-M5 is not a bad camera: it's probably capable of producing the 
finest quality images for the money/size than just about all others cameras 
in existence, but it just isn't a Leica, period.

I am dreaming of the day I can buy a Monochrom and an M, with an 
APO-Summicron 50mm and a few other drool-worthy lenses... 21/1.4, 28/2.0... 
Then a 50/1.4 and a APO 90/2.0 again...

Sigh. 

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 28, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Ric Carter <ricc at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> thanks
> 
> ric
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Peter Klein <pklein at threshinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> The following is unscientific, but probably useful.  These pictures were 
>> shot at the same house, in the same general situation (festive 
>> occasions), with much the same lighting, some of the same people, and too 
>> much food. The difference is that the first picture of each pair below 
>> was taken with a Leica M8 and 35/1.4 Summilux ASPH at ISO 640.  The 
>> second picture of each pair (Christmas Eve this year) was taken with an 
>> OM-D E-M5 and a Panasonic 20/1.7 at ISO 3200. Each pair was taken at 
>> roughly the same place, and so has similar lighting unless the bulbs were 
>> changed to something different in between the pictures.
>> 
>> Both lenses were used somewhere between wide open and closed down one 
>> stop.  Everything was shot RAW and processed with Capture One, using the 
>> defaults, and making the white balance look reasonably good to my eye, 
>> but without my trying to go against the basic nature of the camera.
>> 
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/erevxmas2011/L1008813.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240049-w.jpg.html>
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/NewYear2011-12/L1009035.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240053-w.jpg.html>
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/erevxmas2011/L1008832.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240067-w.jpg.html>
>> 
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/friends/ErevXmas09/L1005913.jpg.html>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/xmaseve2012/PC240069-w.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Feel free to browse the rest of the folders if you want to see more.
>> 
>> Here's what I'm seeing so far:
>> 
>> 1. The M8 with 35mm Summilux is clearly sharper when properly focused. 
>> But the E-M5 with 20/1.7 is quite usable. Note that the difference in 
>> sharpness is less when both cameras are set at ISO 800, but it is still 
>> there, and you can see it even in these Web-sized JPGs.
>> 2. Despite the E-M5's wonderful image stabilization, I can get sharper 
>> shots at ~1/60 with the M8 than I can with the E-M5.
>> 3. The M8 is biased towards pink/magenta, the E-M5 towards yellow. (Yes, 
>> I'm using an IR filter on the M8).
>> 4. The E-M5 at 3200 is a bit noisier than the M8 at 640. From other 
>> sessions not shown here, I see that at 800/640 the E-M5 seems a little 
>> less noisy than the M8 in the shadows. So 1600 may be the "sweet spot" 
>> for the E-M5. I'm going to shoot New Year's Eve at ISO 1600 rather than 
>> 3200, and see how that fares.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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In reply to: Message from pklein at threshinc.com (Peter Klein) ([Leica] IMG: M8 vs. OM-D, real people pictures)
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