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Subject: [Leica] [Lexica] Gun control
From: leica_r8 at hotmail.com (Aram Langhans)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 07:43:51 -0800
References: <CCF1A718.229D9%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com>

Until a stray bullet strikes someone.  Those scum are not the best of shots.

Aram

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From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 1:05 AM
To: <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] [Lexica] Gun control

> Most guns are illegal in New York City, which is why you see few gun
> stores. NYC has over 1000 murders a year, so it hasn't helped.
>
> Fort Wayne has a lot of gun shops, and we have 40 murders a year. Most of
> them are gangbangers shooting other gangbangers. Scum-on-scum crime.
> Doesn't affect me at all.
>
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> On 12/15/12 3:58 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
>>Here in NYC we have  a Starbucks every two blocks. Gun stores I've not
>>seen
>>yet.
>>Starbucks. 256 (that's also an f stop) in NYC
>>Gun stores? Real hard to find one. Wait I'm checking.....
>>>From what I can tell about a dozen. I read you have to go upstate to find
>>them.
>>
>>256 / 12  = 21.3
>> so that's 21 single espressos per Beretta.
>>
>>
>>On 12/15/12 3:42 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Worldwide. Actually, the figures for *$ has gone up to about 20,000 and
>>>the
>>> # if gun stores are "only" 50,000.
>>>
>>> The point isn't to make a scientific comparison, the point is if you ask
>>> any one on the street to make a guess, they would not have guessed
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> This country has skewed priority.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Mark Rabiner
>>><mark at rabinergroup.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> # of Starbucks in US?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/15/12 3:03 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> # of Starbucks worldwide : less than 18,000
>>>>> # of gun stores in US : more than 130,000
>>>>>
>>>>> Any questions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
>>>>> frozenlight.eu
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that you are right and that I am wrong. But I believe
>>>>>>otherwise,
>>>>>> sadly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My gut feeling is you're wrong too many children on both American
>>>> coasts
>>>>>>> have just died I've just seen the photo of Obama's face in the news.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was reading an economic thing yesterday. Not so good but private
>>>>>>>arms
>>>>>> sales
>>>>>>> in the USA are way up. Why? Because they know the writing is on the
>>>> wall.
>>>>>>> This is their last chance to put finishing touches on their beloved
>>>>>>> arsenals.
>>>>>>> I think in a week and a month our blood will still be up.
>>>>>>> And the NRA goes down.
>>>>>>> And in a year.
>>>>>>> The anti gun legislation papers will have to be wrestled from
>>>>>>>Obama's
>>>>>> cold
>>>>>>> dead hands. Americans are going to be taking to the streets and I'm
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>> be one of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This stuff happening  now happens nowhere else in the world.
>>>>>>> Constant people being shot.
>>>>>>> I think I will be great for tourism as right now we are viewed by
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>> world as a bunch of gun nuts. And they're right. But think its time
>>>>>>>has
>>>>>>> come. We're going to have more people not afraid to come visit here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/15/12 1:47 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most European countries have those rights and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But anyway, it is a useless debate. The NRA has too much political
>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>> the gun culture is too deeply ingrained in the US for anything to
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>>>> There will be outrage and sorrow for a few days, but it will die
>>>>>>>>down
>>>>>> and our
>>>>>>>> collective attention will move on to something else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Phil Forrest wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech,
>>>>>>>>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law.
>>>> Innocence
>>>>>>>>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy
>>>> trial.
>>>>>>>>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the
>>>>>>>>>law
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation
>>>>>>>>>says
>>>>>>>>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>> give their lives to protect them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phil Forrest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800
>>>>>>>>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by
>>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors.
>>>>>>>>>> The students in general study in safe environments little
>>>>>>>>>>affected
>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its
>>>>>>>>>>ugly
>>>>>>>>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does
>>>>>>>>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting
>>>>>>>>>>games
>>>>>>>>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not
>>>>>>>>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and
>>>>>>>>>> scarred for life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am
>>>>>>>>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane
>>>>>>>>>>act.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always
>>>>>>>>>>defend
>>>>>>>>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally
>>>>>>>>>>affected, I
>>>>>>>>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our
>>>>>>>>>>differences in
>>>>>>>>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East
>>>>>>>>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the
>>>> civilian
>>>>>>>>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Ching
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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