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Subject: [Leica] [Lexica] Gun control
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:05:57 -0500

Most guns are illegal in New York City, which is why you see few gun
stores. NYC has over 1000 murders a year, so it hasn't helped.

Fort Wayne has a lot of gun shops, and we have 40 murders a year. Most of
them are gangbangers shooting other gangbangers. Scum-on-scum crime.
Doesn't affect me at all.

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On 12/15/12 3:58 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

>Here in NYC we have  a Starbucks every two blocks. Gun stores I've not
>seen
>yet.
>Starbucks. 256 (that's also an f stop) in NYC
>Gun stores? Real hard to find one. Wait I'm checking.....
>>From what I can tell about a dozen. I read you have to go upstate to find
>them.
>
>256 / 12  = 21.3
> so that's 21 single espressos per Beretta.
>
>
>On 12/15/12 3:42 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>
>> Worldwide. Actually, the figures for *$ has gone up to about 20,000 and
>>the
>> # if gun stores are "only" 50,000.
>> 
>> The point isn't to make a scientific comparison, the point is if you ask
>> any one on the street to make a guess, they would not have guessed
>> correctly.
>> 
>> This country has skewed priority.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Mark Rabiner
>><mark at rabinergroup.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> # of Starbucks in US?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/15/12 3:03 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> # of Starbucks worldwide : less than 18,000
>>>> # of gun stores in US : more than 130,000
>>>> 
>>>> Any questions?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
>>>> frozenlight.eu
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I hope that you are right and that I am wrong. But I believe
>>>>>otherwise,
>>>>> sadly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> YNWA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My gut feeling is you're wrong too many children on both American
>>> coasts
>>>>>> have just died I've just seen the photo of Obama's face in the news.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Was reading an economic thing yesterday. Not so good but private
>>>>>>arms
>>>>> sales
>>>>>> in the USA are way up. Why? Because they know the writing is on the
>>> wall.
>>>>>> This is their last chance to put finishing touches on their beloved
>>>>>> arsenals.
>>>>>> I think in a week and a month our blood will still be up.
>>>>>> And the NRA goes down.
>>>>>> And in a year.
>>>>>> The anti gun legislation papers will have to be wrestled from
>>>>>>Obama's
>>>>> cold
>>>>>> dead hands. Americans are going to be taking to the streets and I'm
>>>>> going to
>>>>>> be one of them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This stuff happening  now happens nowhere else in the world.
>>>>>> Constant people being shot.
>>>>>> I think I will be great for tourism as right now we are viewed by
>>>>>>the
>>>>> entire
>>>>>> world as a bunch of gun nuts. And they're right. But think its time
>>>>>>has
>>>>>> come. We're going to have more people not afraid to come visit here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/15/12 1:47 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Most European countries have those rights and more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But anyway, it is a useless debate. The NRA has too much political
>>>>> power and
>>>>>>> the gun culture is too deeply ingrained in the US for anything to
>>>>> change.
>>>>>>> There will be outrage and sorrow for a few days, but it will die
>>>>>>>down
>>>>> and our
>>>>>>> collective attention will move on to something else.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Phil Forrest wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech,
>>>>>>>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law.
>>> Innocence
>>>>>>>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy
>>> trial.
>>>>>>>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the
>>>>>>>>law
>>> for
>>>>>>>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights
>>> and
>>>>>>>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation
>>>>>>>>says
>>>>>>>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>> give their lives to protect them.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Phil Forrest
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800
>>>>>>>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by
>>> individuals
>>>>>>>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors.
>>>>>>>>> The students in general study in safe environments little
>>>>>>>>>affected
>>> by
>>>>>>>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its
>>>>>>>>>ugly
>>>>>>>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does
>>>>>>>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting
>>>>>>>>>games
>>>>>>>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not
>>>>>>>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and
>>>>>>>>> scarred for life.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am
>>>>>>>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane
>>>>>>>>>act.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always
>>>>>>>>>defend
>>>>>>>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally
>>>>>>>>>affected, I
>>>>>>>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our
>>>>>>>>>differences in
>>>>>>>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East
>>>>>>>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the
>>> civilian
>>>>>>>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions..
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> David Ching
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
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