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Subject: [Leica] [Lexica] Gun control
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:03:01 -0800
References: <CCF18D27.1F52%mark@rabinergroup.com> <1198FC14-3AE9-4C7A-A16D-EF7999F6FB67@frozenlight.eu>

# of Starbucks worldwide : less than 18,000
# of gun stores in US : more than 130,000

Any questions?


On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at 
frozenlight.eu>wrote:

> I hope that you are right and that I am wrong. But I believe otherwise,
> sadly.
>
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>
>
> YNWA
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>
> > My gut feeling is you're wrong too many children on both American coasts
> > have just died I've just seen the photo of Obama's face in the news.
> >
> > Was reading an economic thing yesterday. Not so good but private arms
> sales
> > in the USA are way up. Why? Because they know the writing is on the wall.
> > This is their last chance to put finishing touches on their beloved
> > arsenals.
> > I think in a week and a month our blood will still be up.
> > And the NRA goes down.
> > And in a year.
> > The anti gun legislation papers will have to be wrestled from Obama's
> cold
> > dead hands. Americans are going to be taking to the streets and I'm
> going to
> > be one of them.
> >
> > This stuff happening  now happens nowhere else in the world.
> > Constant people being shot.
> > I think I will be great for tourism as right now we are viewed by the
> entire
> > world as a bunch of gun nuts. And they're right. But think its time has
> > come. We're going to have more people not afraid to come visit here.
> >
> >
> > On 12/15/12 1:47 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> >
> >> Most European countries have those rights and more.
> >>
> >> But anyway, it is a useless debate. The NRA has too much political
> power and
> >> the gun culture is too deeply ingrained in the US for anything to
> change.
> >> There will be outrage and sorrow for a few days, but it will die down
> and our
> >> collective attention will move on to something else.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> Alicante, Spain
> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> YNWA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 15, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Phil Forrest wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech,
> >>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law. Innocence
> >>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy trial.
> >>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the law for
> >>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights and
> >>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation says
> >>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including the
> >>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing to
> >>> give their lives to protect them.
> >>>
> >>> Phil Forrest
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800
> >>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by individuals
> >>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors.
> >>>> The students in general study in safe environments little affected by
> >>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its ugly
> >>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have the
> >>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does
> >>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting games
> >>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not
> >>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and
> >>>> scarred for life.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am
> >>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane act.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always defend
> >>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally affected, I
> >>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our differences in
> >>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East
> >>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the civilian
> >>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> David Ching
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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