Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The first official Leica store in Singapore is in the exclusive Raffles Hotel, the other two in another 5-star hotel and ION, a high street shopping centre on Orchard Road. The locations of these three stores speaks for itself the kind of market Leica is targeting. Things have obviously changed when celebrities were used for the launch of the inaugural store in the hotel which was named after the founder of colonial Singapore. It's really for the rich and maybe diehard pros. Actually never met a pro today in Singapore or Malaysia or anywhere in this region who uses Leicas exclusively for assignments. I read that Ming Thein loves his Leicas but uses Nikons for real work. And the new M is unlikely to change the scenario here. Perhaps the West is different. David Ching On 04/12/2012, at 3:53 AM, lug-request at leica-users.org wrote: > Send LUG mailing list submissions to > lug at leica-users.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > lug-request at leica-users.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > lug-owner at leica-users.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use ( jon.streeter ) > 2. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use ( jon.streeter ) > 3. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use ( jon.streeter ) > 4. Re: Norton's Motel #5 ( jon.streeter ) > 5. Re: What Leica can learn from Polaroid (Greg Rubenstein) > 6. Scotch with Dr Ted (David Ching) > 7. Re: I wonder if the price will increase (Frank Dernie) > 8. Re: What Leica can learn from Polaroid (Mark Rabiner) > 9. Re: IMG: If you can see it - Quartet - THANKS (philippe.amard) > 10. Re: IMG: A harbinger - THANKS (philippe.amard) > 11. Re: Bench Views Slide Show (philippe.amard) > 12. Re: Smith's Baby l975 Smith's Baby's Baby 20l2 (2 pix) > (Sonny Carter) > 13. Re: Don's weekly PAW; American Football (Jean-Michel Mertz) > 14. Mount Tabor Baptist Church (Chris Crawford) > 15. Re: Professional use and Professionalism (Robert Meier) > 16. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (Sonny Carter) > 17. Colorado - Durango to Silverton RR (Aram Langhans) > 18. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (Bill Pearce) > 19. Re: Colorado - Durango to Silverton RR (Jim Nichols) > 20. Re: IMG: Danger (Nathan Wajsman) > 21. Re: IMG: Baltimore trip (Nathan Wajsman) > 22. Re: Beach (Nathan Wajsman) > 23. Archive of the Week #25 and More! (Jay Burleson) > 24. Re: Archive of the Week #25 and More! (philippe.amard) > 25. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (Photo) > 26. Re: IMG: Danger (Douglas Barry) > 27. Las Braygas (Douglas Barry) > 28. Re: Archive of the Week #25 and More! (Jay Burleson) > 29. out there?. (Steve Barbour) > 30. Re: Don's weekly PAW; American Football (Nathan Wajsman) > 31. Re: IMG: A harbinger (Nathan Wajsman) > 32. Re: It's 2012 Leica Yearbook Time--Please Submit Your > Images!!!! (Nathan Wajsman) > 33. Re: Professional use and Professionalism (Mark Rabiner) > 34. Re: Professional use and Professionalism (Nathan Wajsman) > 35. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (Mark Rabiner) > 36. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (Mark Rabiner) > 37. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD (Mark Kronquist) > 38. IPhone 5 for Rabs (Mark Rabiner) > 39. Re: Cameras Real Pros Use (grduprey at mchsi.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:51:14 -0800 > From: " jon.streeter " <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > To: " Leica Users Group " <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: > <20121203085114.KTYO26743.eastrmfepo102.cox.net at eastrmimpo305> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I'm pretty sure the term is self-explanatory. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > Date: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 12:11 am > > > The point might be "what does it mean"? > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: jon streeter <jon.streeter at cox.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:49:28 -0800 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> >> "Whammoflex" is a term I shamelessly nicked from a reviewer whose article >> about Jeff Ascough appears on line. >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 10:16 pm >> >> >> In case anyone is interest as I was: >> Wham-O Flex 95 Gram Fastback Frisbee Dog Disc >> by Wham-O >> >> Though not exactly sure how this keys in with Leica or Tina. Though I know >> like myself she's a dog lover. >> My dogs liked to get the Frisbee ( or Wham-O Flex ) and run away with it. >> The idea being I'd get it from him. >> This was not fun for me. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> From: Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:57:53 -0600 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>> >>> Leica is perfect for the kind of work that Tina does. Few are fortunate >>> enough to be able to do that kind of work. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jon.streeter >>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 4:03 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>> >>> Tina's choice of Leica seems natural and insightful taking her marvelous >>> body of work into account. I can hardly imagine her, with the subjects >>> I'm >>> now familiar with, being there toting about a Whammoflex. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>> Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 12:46 pm >>> >>> >>> Again while Phil's woes seem to be way off the bottom of the graph Tina's >>> seem to be way off the top. Or visa versa. As a Leica optimist I'd love >>> to >>> believe Tina's and totally ignore Phil's but can't totally do neither. >>> >>> I think The new Digital M is going to work. And do a lot of fine work by >>> a >>> lot of dedicated people. >>> >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 10:55:13 +1000 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>>> >>>> Am I still the only one astonished at Phil's report that all 10 M9 >>>> cameras >>>> in his circle have all needed repair several times?? >>>> I cannot believe that is typical nor know of any other report of that >>>> level >>>> of failures (actually a 200 or 300% failure rate) to that effect >>>> anywhere >>>> in my years of Leica involvement (nor about any other brand either for >>>> that >>>> matter). >>>> I never suggested that the M9 is the best tool for professional >>>> photojournalists. It has no video for a first consideration. >>>> My comments were only on that reported failure rate. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:54:07 -0800 > From: " jon.streeter " <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > To: " Leica Users Group " <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: > <20121203085416.FYFU10627.eastrmfepo101.cox.net at eastrmimpo109> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I think I am safe in saying that you have missed the point. Perhaps a > review would be in order. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > Date: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 12:09 am > > > There is no visual. Sending your tear sheets to a company to establish that > you are a legit professional photographer is the farthest thing from ass > kissing that you can get. > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: jon streeter <jon.streeter at cox.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:29:43 -0800 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> >> Visual!! Who DOESN'T see it?! >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> >> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:21 pm >> >> >> There is a certain visual I can not get out of my head..... maybe it was >> the wording? >> >> Frank Filippone >> Red735i at verizon.net >> >> >> i am clearly not kissing the proper asses >> >> i envy your position >> >> ric >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:56:47 -0800 > From: " jon.streeter " <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > To: " Leica Users Group " <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: > <20121203085647.QBUX6475.eastrmfepo202.cox.net at eastrmimpo109> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The Leica store in Pasadena did look like a jewelry store, now that I > think about. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 11:58 pm > > > My Leicas I got from camera world in Portland or B&H in NY or one lens from > Glazers in Seattle. All look like camera stores and not the slightest bit > like jewelry stores. Where does stuff like this come from I wonder? > If ones approach to Leica is so intensely negative why involve yourself > with > it or be on a Leica list? > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:24:35 -0600 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> >> AS someone who has been a professional since the early seventies, I can >> tell > you that film Leicas were always the very most expensive, and always sold > in > stores that resembled jewelry stores. This business isn't news. There may > have been a time when Leicas were affordable to pros, but that time was the > forties and fifties. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon.streeter > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:59:17 -0800 > From: " jon.streeter " <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Norton's Motel #5 > To: " Leica Users Group " <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: > <20121203085917.PNFG5450.eastrmfepo201.cox.net at eastrmimpo306> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > These look deceptively simple. I am really getting a kick out of this > series of yours. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Chris Crawford" <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > To: "Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>" <lug at leica-users.org>, > " Olympus Camera Discussion" <olympus at thomasclausen.net> > Subject: [Leica] Norton's Motel #5 > Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 11:49 pm > > > http://chriscrawfordphoto.com/chris-details.php?product=1568 > > Another from my archives. Someday, I'll have them all scanned and edited! > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:06:27 +0800 > From: Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Leica] What Leica can learn from Polaroid > To: "lug at leica-users.org" <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: <DB9E1F52-642C-4F03-AF45-85357A898C1A at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Geoff is spot on with his Polaroid analogy; even if that and Kodak are > mass-market sagas. Business rules, as such, cross industries, products and > audiences. > > Leica has a target audience, niche and cachet, which makes it something of > an outlier in the pretty much fungible world of photography these days. > Leicas are objects of desire, not need, for most. Even us. > > Maybe the company should be compared to the makers and purveyors of luxury > products, be they fine watches, exotic cars or other items of high cost > and limited availability. > > The whole equation, wherever a company is on whatever band of the spectrum > or whatever it produces, is delivering value for its target audience. > Please your audience with your products, create more desire for your > products and make sure your operating costs are under control relative to > income/sales. > > Will rely on Geoff or Jayanand to correct me if I got it wrong. > > Greg Rubenstein > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:40:26 +0800 > From: David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> > Subject: [Leica] Scotch with Dr Ted > To: "lug at leica-users.org" <lug at leica-users.org>, Jayanand > <jayanand at gmail.com> > Message-ID: <CB7B3264-2455-42D5-A911-BDD4EC5622B1 at yahoo.com.sg> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks Jaya! > > Cheers!!! > > David Ching > > H.P. Tel. no.: +84 904684321 (Vietnam) > : +65 92321098 (Singapore) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:42:40 +0000 > From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [Leica] I wonder if the price will increase > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Message-ID: <B63F8D49-2237-4C42-96DF-BE96C7275FE9 at btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Typically, in the industries I have worked in, manufacturing cost is 10% > of retail. The rest covers R&D, tooling, marketing, warranty, margin and > dealer margin. > The percentage varies a bit, being more for low volume items, where the > R&D and tooling cost has to be amortised over a smaller quantity of sales. > When I got involved in doing a plan for a lightweight production supercar > at Lola Cars it worked out, for example, that getting the engine through > the various government tests would work out at ?200,000 per car and the > tooling a similar amount. IIRC the actual manufacturing cost was about the > same. They needed to sell direct from the factory at ?650,000 each to > break even in the projected quantity, which was IMHO optimistic. This is > for extremely small quantities, probably like the new Summicron though. > Nikon and Canon sell more of their high end cameras (as a loss leader for > prestige, I am told) in a month than Leica do in a year. > I am glad that Leica is now profitable. It made a loss, even at the prices