Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/03

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Subject: [Leica] Manipulation Disqualification
From: wrs111445 at yahoo.com (W. R. Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 02:02:40 -0700 (PDT)
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I shoot only film, so I'm no expert on the digital side, but I thought 
manipulation was an intrinsic part of the process. Is there anybody on the 
digital side who can (and does) resist it??

Bill




________________________________
 From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> 
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Manipulation Disqualification
 
Sure, but I think there are *vastly* better ways to improve one's craft.

Marty

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Marty,
> I agree with you there, but all viewers who comment bring in something
> useful to the table, including competition judges. It is up to us to take
> it in the right spirit to improve our craft.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jayanand,
>>
>> > What method of getting your work viewed, in your opinion, does not lend
>> > itself to be open to biases? I think it is impossible to eliminate bias
>> in
>> > the eyes of the viewer (a judge, after all, is just another viewer,
>> albeit
>> > with some power in the context of a competition).
>>
>> Perhaps I worded that poorly.? There is no avoidance of bias.? But in
>> competitions there is exercising of power and often this leads to
>> self-importance and glorified egoism.? If you show your photos in
>> other fora, the viewers can decide if they like them or not, without
>> the additional influences of the viewers being given growing
>> self-important because their choice makes the image more valuable.
>>
>> > In this case, nobody seems to have read the rules, and apparently the
>> > judges did not check out the primary document (RAW file/negative) for
>> > transgressions either, which seems to be a huge goof up!
>>
>> That really is a goof up.? It doesn't make any difference to my
>> assessment of competitions, but it's also irrelevant to it.
>>
>> Marty
>>
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