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Subject: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH?????
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 11:30:10 -0400

Glowing Doughnut bokeh!
I always thought I'd rent one for a weekend so I can get some glowing
doughnuts in my body of work. Just a few.

Mark William Rabiner


> From: Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:23:30 -0700
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH?????
> 
> Naw relax old buddy, no need to cringe I can't throw a brick that far any
> longer!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
> 
> However I can say what I thought was the worst out of focus back-grounds 
> and
> it drove me crazy until some drunken off duty cops jumped me after a
> football game because they thought I was taking their photos.
> 
> I was, but if they weren't beating-up a couple of rent-a-cop security guys,
> I'd not have smashed my Nikon adapted mirror lens to fit my Leica when 
> three
> of them jumped me and beat me on the head with their fists while the camera
> and lens were under my body digging into the ground. Lens eventually being
> torn out of body mount.
> 
> When the 500mm mirror lens came out I got one right away. Then discovered
> all the various sizes and shapes of dinky circles all over the
> back-ground........ just drove me crazy because quite often they were so
> obvious they took the eyes away from the subject.
> 
> So when it was torn right out of the body lens mount the insurance company
> paid me in cash and I bought a Leica lens as I should've done in the first
> place.
> 
> In my case that is the only time I was understanding of an "ugly out of
> focus background". But never heard the word "bokeh" ever used.
> 
> So I  suppose I've experienced bokeh without the fancy name! :-) But it
> truly was an ugly effect.
> 
> cheers,
> ted.. :-)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M/ BOKEH?????
> 
> 
>> Dare I risk the wrath of Dr Ted and comment?
>> 
>> Firstly not everyone uses the same interpretation of bokeh. Some only
>> consider what out of focus point highlights look like (including whether
>> the discs of light from those are round, their edge characteristics,
>> homogeneous, haloed, aperture opening shaped etc. It more generally refers
>> to the appearance of all out of focus areas and it is sometimes
>> subjectively judged based on the transitions from best focus to out of
>> focus.
>> 
>> However the bokeh of any one specific lens is not a fixed value at all. I
>> can show quite different examples from the same lens for example
>> 
>> There is an excellent technical article on Depth of Field and Bokeh by
>> H.H.
>> Nasse of Zeiss available from their camera lens blog (CLN35 is the one you
>> want)
>> 
>>> From that article these are factors outside of the focal plane that
>> influence bokeh
>> 
>> Picture format
>> Focal length
>> f-number
>> the camera-to-subject distance
>> Distance to the background or the foreground
>> Shapes and patterns of the subject
>> Aperture iris shape
>> Aberrations of the lens
>> Speed of the lens
>> Foreground/background brightness
>> Colour
>> 
>> Now I wait trembling for the wrath of the Canadian avenger to descend upon
>> my photo-geeking head for this post.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
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