[Leica] Toning vs. paper and print color.

[mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)]

All I'm saying is in your interface you've got there top make the image a
bit cool for sky scapes and sea scapes and far away shots and warm for
portraits is a very nice option. As you'd maybe be using a portrait paper
with some toning for those and fast bromide paper with some weak selenium
for the rest.
Print color exists regardless of toning. Toning just gives you some
additional control of  it.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:11:38 -0500
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Toning vs. paper and print color.
> 
> OK, this drove me to my photo library (the part that is left in print, that
> is).  In it I find a Kodak Photographic Notebook containing several
> publications, including "Processing Chemicals and Formulas" (first 1965
> printing), $1.00).  In that I find my notes for favorite films: TriX in
> Rodinal 1:100 in sodium sulfite solution, and Adox KB-14 in Stockler
> two-bath developer.  My standard silver paper was Seagull graded, toned in
> selenium, also Agfa Portriga toned in gold toner.  Now life is much simpler
> in a way.  Epson 3880 printer in advanced b&w mode, setting "dark", toning
> set to +3 in both directions on the wheel.  Pretty much nails a neutral
> print without the need for a RIP.  Plus I can have a Lagavulin, a risky
> venture in the darkroom.
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Rabiner
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:09 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: [Leica] Toning vs. paper and print color.
> 
> I just got  one my first photography books back from Portland Storage last
> week its a real thrill I think I got my MOJO back for sure now.
> Its the Kodak Master Darkroom Dataguide $3.95 3rd edition first 1969
> printing.
> http://s.ecrater.com/stores/108769/4c8ac0f969c3e_108769n.jpg
> In it under one tab its got paper samples.
> I remember they started talking about print color and paper color in the
> first one I got just like this in 1964.
> I was as a 12 year old not happy to read this.
> Isn't this black and white photography we are talking about?
> Why do I have to know stuff about color if I'm doing black and white here 
> in
> my mothers laundry room? Well the paper samples in the book themselves show
> some of the papers are yellowish and some are much more white and are 
> rather
> cool. The bromide papers.
> 
> 
> My main point is this.
> Toning does not add color to an otherwise black and white print.
> It just alters it. In many cases of course the color result from toning
> makes for an image with much more apparent color than one which is left
> alone.  
> But for the most part toning is for making a print with a more refined and
> better color than the paper image color.
> And in the last decades of darkroom work in the last half of the century 
> the
> toner which dominated was selenium. For the most part it was Kodak Rapid
> selenium toner which was used a one or two ounces to a quart for 3 or 4
> minutes after two fixes and a hypo clear bath.
> And although it improved print color by getting the green out and imparting
> a  subtle purplish tone to prints, bromide or chloride its main reason for
> being used was permances. And it strengthened your blacks.
> A serious print collector or gallery would expect this. Prints without a
> hint of green in it.  It was not optional.
> 
> My detractors on the list may say this is my quirky opinion and represents 
> a
> convoluted approach to darkroom work.  Its not. Its darkroom 101. Maybe 
> 201.
> And represented the way any serious printer in the past decades worked.
> Not commercial work and PJ's of course who printed on RC paper.
> But gallery stuff printed on fiber. And certain serious portrait work.
> 
> My first darkroom Dataguide I think was dated 1965.
> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
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