Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/08/07

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Subject: [Leica] M9 firmware update and 3rd party batteries
From: billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:40:23 -0500
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I have been led to believe that Sony and Nikon does just that. It would not 
take a genius, but it would add cost, and that's something that the Chinese 
off brand people would avoid.

I once read that sony cameras and camcorders were programmed to not allow 
the camera to use a battery more than two years old. That said, my first 
digital camera was a Sony R1, and I still use it occasionally. It was a 
great camera for its day, and files still hold up, but I am still using Sony 
and aftermarket batteries that are pushing ten years old.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Herbert Kanner
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 7:24 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 firmware update and 3rd party batteries

I know they could imbed a read-only chip in the battery for identifying 
same. I'm just convinced that they are not doing that. In fact, I regard the 
idea as ridiculous. Furthermore, it would not take a genius to counterfeit 
such a chip if they had done that.

Herbert Kanner
kanner at acm.org
650-326-8204

Question authority and the authorities will question you.



On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:42 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> The magic way is to embed an id chip in the battery.
>
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> I would be willing to make a substantial bet that there is no magic way
>> that Leica can tell if you are using an aftermarket battery. After 
>> getting
>> a DOA aftermarket battery, I bit the bullet and bought a Leica battery as
>> my spare. When I tried to install the update, it told me that there was 
>> not
>> enough battery juice, and I had to replace this genuine battery by 
>> another
>> genuine one that had a full charge.  Obviously they are going by battery
>> voltage under load and objecting if there is a chance of failure during 
>> the
>> firmware update process.
>>
>> Herbert Kanner
>> kanner at acm.org
>> 650-326-8204
>>
>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:15 PM, John McMaster wrote:
>>
>>> The only non-Leica battery I bought (and its replacement) were both DOA
>> on
>>> earlier firmware ;-) I think it is just a warning on remaining power
>> rather
>>> than hunting non-genuine batteries..........
>>>
>>> john
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> My understanding is that you may get a warning, but that they will still
>>> work. If they're DOA, I'm screwed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This no aftermarket battery thing is a real pain. If they hadn't
>>>> charged so much for something that is obviously available for much
>>>> less, they could have saved money on writing special firmware. Not
>>>> something that makes me feel good about the manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone report from the field if the update will reject my
>>>> non-Leica batteries? Not looking forward to replacing them. Also, will
>>>> the Leica only battery injunction be enforced on the MM and M10?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> -- 
> -Lew Schwartz
>
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