Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark Rabiner OFFERED: Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? >>Trust me and I don't care who you are. You walk into a situation with a >>camera and that situation ceases to be "normal" at that moment. Every one is very aware of themselves and put on the normal act. Though some will do the opposite and "act out". Put on a real show. There really isn't any point in thinking that you are an inert ingredient to the situation and that you are not changing and interacting with the situation. <<<<< Hi Mark old buddy, :-) May I offer a wee bit of challenge to your well made point? :-) The room is darkened, we are dressed alike, there is a kind of silent quietness about the room. But still much activity and somewhat muted voices softly heard. A moment seen, a quick click. Nothing changes! The muted voices continue, something catches your eye again... "click!" No one moves nor turn their heads.......... you go click again ! Still no reaction to you and your three Leicas hanging from your neck, nor the motor driven R8's on each shoulder. You change position, again a quick click! Still no recognition is given to you and your clicking cameras. Eventually all the lights come on and you click a few more. Nobody makes comment nor give any re-action to your presence. They continue their work and you remain invisible! In the operating room you are invisible and the folks just do their thing without a change regardless of me, my clicking and cameras hanging from my neck and shoulders. So there are locations where subjects remain themselves, do their job as they do every day. Just a small point that subjects don't always change when a camera comes into their life even for a few minutes or hours. cheers, ted > If you really want to not change anything in a situation you go into try > going into it with a 16mm Bolex. I'm sure a modern video camera will give > you about those results. Everyone will be acting completely normally. > They're be pretending to not be being hyperaware of the camera and > themselves. With a still camera its about half that. Trust me and I don't > care who you are. You walk into a situation with a camera and that > situation > ceases to be "normal" at that moment. Every one is very aware of > themselves > and put on the normal act. Though some will do the opposite and "act out". > Put on a real show. > There really isn't any point in thinking that you are an inert ingredient > to > the situation and that you are not changing and interacting with the > situation. You just are anyway. Its best to recognize it and talk with > people. > The way to get around it is to have a camera built into a suitcase or into > your eyeglasses earpieces or hat. That's the only way your going to get a > non affected reality. There's a surveillance section in the B&H catalog > and > I'm sure on their internet site. I'm not sure how successful those kinds > of > images are. I think its best to recognize that you are very much part of > any > scene you are photographing. And interact all you feel like. > > HCB had the guy jump over the puddle more than a dozen times. I'm not away > of anyone having a problem with that. > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > >> From: Jefffery Smith <jsmith342 at gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:12:11 -0500 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? >> >> The one thing that I try to change in a subject is to tell them to "stop >> smiling for the camera". >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeffery >> ______________________ >> Jeffery Smith >> New Orleans, LA >> www.400tx.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Tina Manley wrote: >> >>> I am very interested in that book and have ordered it. The >>> documentary tradition that I learned and have tried to apply is that >>> you change absolutely nothing for a photo. I never move anything, >>> never pose people, never even suggest that they do something over >>> again. If I'm lucky enough to get the photo the first time, fine. If >>> not, a reenactment does not qualify as documentary photography. The >>> reason I stay several days is so that people will forget that I'm >>> taking photographs and just go on about their lives. Sitting quietly >>> in a corner with an M camera and a Noctilux, I can be very boring and >>> unnoticeable. That's an advantage taking the photos but not promoting >>> them ;-) >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> wrote: >>>> Ted Grant wrote: >>>>> My job was to cover the event! Not make a journalistic statement or >>>>> political >>>> justification one way or the other! >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree that that's the ideal posture from a news perspective, but I >>>> wonder >>>> how easy it is to keep your emotions and your seeing separate. Here's >>>> a >>>> book that explores the question. I haven't read it yet but Errol Morris >>>> is >>>> a respected documentary filmmaker so I expect he's thought quite a bit >>>> about this. >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Believing-Seeing-Observations-Mysteries-Photography/dp >>>> /1594203016/ref=pd_sim_b_4 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Phil Swango >>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE >>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108 >>>> 505-262-4085 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>> www.tinamanley.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information