Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/05/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Sounds like you went to the wrong engineering school. Speed has never been valued above accuracy for engineering. By the way I looked for a job for 10+ years before I got a steady offer/job, so it is no different today as in the past. Maybe expectations are different though. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:15:41 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Monochrome now OT education I was a mechanical engineering major for one semester in college but "failed" math (departmental minimum was a C+ to advance) and they asked me to reassess my college career and find a major that I would excel in. I would have excelled in engineering though. The reason I failed math was due to lack of speed even though my accuracy was almost 100%. The Veterans Administration has since found that from traumatic brain injury suffered in Iraq I probably lost the functionality that I had when I was in the Navy and teaching applied EM and acoustic physics to submarine hunters. Too little too late though. In spite of my documented disability the school would only allow me to appeal the grade if I took the class over after a wait of one semester, during which time I couldn't advance into any more engineering courses. The GI Bill doesn't sit on ice too well so I had to change majors. I really was sad to leave that part of the campus and go a block away to the communications school. Journalism is something I love as well and I got As in almost every course. I excelled in it but those grades and awards are no help to me now. Phil Forrest On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:04:55 -0700 Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> wrote: > Here in Canada the job market is fragmented. While quite a few > people, including university grads can't get decent paying jobs there > are a lot of well paying jobs that go unfilled. I believe the same is > true in many developed countries, and especially the US. > > As an architect I regularly see trades that can't find skilled > workers. The brick and tile layers that are really good are retiring, > as most came from Europe in the 50's and 60's. Here there was never a > decent system for training them, and the jobs were considered > 'beneath' people who could go to college. That kind of stigma and > lack of training is coming back to bite us. Lots of other trades are > the same. > > If you do go to college, consider various engineering jobs. Many are > desperately lacking in personnel. Many people are still going to > University in an undefined Arts program, and racking up tuition > debts. Good luck! It's not the fault only of the kids of course; it's > mostly the fault of general society. When you're 20, it's better to > be seen as being enrolled in a literature program at a good college > or university than being in a good training program as an elevator > installer. But take a look at them 10 years down the road, in our > present economic trend. > > Henning > > > On 2012-05-11, at 9:55 AM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Engineering, computer science, and science graduates are highly > > sought after here in the US. And just about anywhere in the > > world. As for Journalism, I know a young lady getting her degree > > in England/Germany who has several solid job offers waiting for her. > > > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> > > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:05:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Monochrome > > > > I wish him the best of luck. > > MS in Aerospace Eng is certainly a specialized field and probably > > has a decent amount of opportunity after graduation. > > > > There are exceptions everywhere. Here in the US the job market > > isn't as rosy and the educated are increasingly being forced to > > work at very low wages. > > > > Phil Forrest > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 May 2012 06:56:08 +0200 > > Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > > > >> I do not wish to sound smug or uncaring, but I just cannot share > >> your wholesale pessimism. I know that you have difficult > >> circumstances and for a variety of reasons that have little to do > >> with the economy are stuck in a depressed city. But I also know > >> that my almost-23 year old son will graduate with a Masters in > >> aerospace engineering next year (2013) and I know that thanks to > >> his hard work at university, he will have good grades and will > >> very likely find a well-paying after graduating. The only thing I > >> do not know is exactly where that job will be--given his > >> specialty, it could be on either side of the Atlantic. But it will > >> certainly not be $7 an hour. > >> > >> And we are no 1-percenters. He attends a public university in > >> England and will graduate with a (modest) tuition debt. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Nathan > >> > >> Nathan Wajsman > >> Alicante, Spain > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > >> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > >> > >> > >> YNWA > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 11, 2012, at 4:01 AM, Chris Crawford wrote: > >> > >>> You have your head in the sand if you think that, Doug. The world > >>> has changed, and my generation will never be permitted the decent > >>> lives our parents had, no matter how hard we work. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Crawford > >>> Fine Art Photography > >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana > >>> 260-437-8990 > >>> > >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > >>> > >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > >>> > >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > >>> Become a fan on Facebook > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/10/12 9:11 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Phil Forrest wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:28:26 -0400 > >>>>> Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> This thing is so far outside the realm of even remote > >>>>>> possibility for me that I frankly don't give a damn. What is > >>>>>> Leica going to do when all the old people who have money > >>>>>> because they began working before the $7 an hour economy was > >>>>>> foisted upon their children have died, leaving the > >>>>>> impoverished young who simply cannot even consider such > >>>>>> equipment, no matter how good it is. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been asking this question for years and no one will give me > >>>>> an answer that works, instead insisting that Leica will continue > >>>>> to exist. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> The people who were asking this question forty years ago (I was > >>>> there) now have the means to consider a Leica system. And it may > >>>> very well be less than forty years but some day in the future > >>>> many of today's younger adults will also be able to > >>>> realistically buy into a Leica camera system. > >>>> > >>>> Doug Herr > >>>> Birdman of Sacramento > >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>> information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>> information > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > > > > > > > > -- > > http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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