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Subject: [Leica] Leica Monochrome
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 12:04:55 -0700
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Here in Canada the job market is fragmented. While quite a few people, 
including university grads can't get decent paying jobs there are a lot of 
well paying jobs that go unfilled. I believe the same is true in many 
developed countries, and especially the US. 

As an architect I regularly see trades that can't find skilled workers. The 
brick and tile layers that are really good are retiring, as most came from 
Europe in the 50's and 60's. Here there was never a decent system for 
training them, and the jobs were considered 'beneath' people who could go to 
college. That kind of stigma and lack of training is coming back to bite us. 
Lots of other trades are the same.

If you do go to college, consider various engineering jobs. Many are 
desperately lacking in personnel. Many people are still going to University 
in an undefined Arts program, and racking up tuition debts. Good luck! It's 
not the fault only of the kids of course; it's mostly the fault of general 
society. When you're 20, it's better to be seen as being enrolled in a 
literature program at a good college or university than being in a good 
training program as an elevator installer. But take a look at them 10 years 
down the road, in our present economic trend.

Henning


On 2012-05-11, at 9:55 AM, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote:

> Engineering, computer science, and science graduates are highly sought 
> after here in the US.  And just about anywhere in the world.  As for 
> Journalism, I know a young lady getting her degree in England/Germany who 
> has several solid job offers waiting for her.
> 
> Gene
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Forrest" <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:05:16 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica Monochrome
> 
> I wish him the best of luck.
> MS in Aerospace Eng is certainly a specialized field and probably has a
> decent amount of opportunity after graduation.
> 
> There are exceptions everywhere. Here in the US the job market isn't as
> rosy and the educated are increasingly being forced to work at very low
> wages.
> 
> Phil Forrest
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 06:56:08 +0200
> Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> 
>> I do not wish to sound smug or uncaring, but I just cannot share your
>> wholesale pessimism. I know that you have difficult circumstances and
>> for a variety of reasons that have little to do with the economy are
>> stuck in a depressed city. But I also know that my almost-23 year old
>> son will graduate with a Masters in aerospace engineering next year
>> (2013) and I know that thanks to his hard work at university, he will
>> have good grades and will very likely find a well-paying after
>> graduating. The only thing I do not know is exactly where that job
>> will be--given his specialty, it could be on either side of the
>> Atlantic. But it will certainly not be $7 an hour.
>> 
>> And we are no 1-percenters. He attends a public university in England
>> and will graduate with a (modest) tuition debt.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan 
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 11, 2012, at 4:01 AM, Chris Crawford wrote:
>> 
>>> You have your head in the sand if you think that, Doug. The world
>>> has changed, and my generation will never be permitted the decent
>>> lives our parents had, no matter how hard we work.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On 5/10/12 9:11 PM, "Doug Herr" <wildlightphoto at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Phil Forrest wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 15:28:26 -0400
>>>>> Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This thing is so far outside the realm of even remote
>>>>>> possibility for me that I frankly don't give a damn. What is
>>>>>> Leica going to do when all the old people who have money because
>>>>>> they began working before the $7 an hour economy was foisted
>>>>>> upon their children have died, leaving the impoverished young
>>>>>> who simply cannot even consider such equipment, no matter how
>>>>>> good it is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been asking this question for years and no one will give me
>>>>> an answer that works, instead insisting that Leica will continue
>>>>> to exist.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The people who were asking this question forty years ago (I was
>>>> there) now have the means to consider a Leica system.  And it may
>>>> very well be less than forty years but some day in the future many
>>>> of today's younger adults will also be able to realistically buy
>>>> into a Leica camera system.
>>>> 
>>>> Doug Herr
>>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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