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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Work Break
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (tedgrant at shaw.ca)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:47:27 -0700
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AND GEOFF SAID?????????
>>>> Your content is invariably strong and most interesting, I only aim to
> comment on the technical application aspects.
>
> Now Doctor Ted will hunt me down and stamp KISS into my forehead again! 
> <<<<<<<

NAW I WONT DO THAT SIMPLY CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE 
TALKING ABOUT! ;-) :-) :-) I just auto click every thing and as long as it 
"looks cool?" Then it's cool with me! See KISS!" ;-)

cheers,
Doc. ted ;-)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Work Break


> Thanks Tina I have a better understanding now. I have Vuescan Pro rather
> than Silverfast but they have some comparable options in saving the raw
> scan. A raw TIFF is where they initially started too but now also offer 
> DNG
> option. Not the same as a DNG from you M9 of course but understood by LR
> and PS still.  A DNG is really only a TIFF with a few more tags anyway. I
> don't think that you're gaining any quality specifically from that
> conversion step.
> Expanding on that Vuescan will also allow you to make concurrent output
> from same scan (raw TIFF, TIFF DNG, JPEG etc) For scanning BW film you can
> optionally have a scan as a positive (to let you invert later in PS) if
> wanted.
>
> I guess with your raw scans saved you can go back and redevelop in
> Silverfast without penalty too then?
>
> All of that is me getting off the initial point into related stuff I
> suppose (quelle surprise!) but I think the central thing coming up from 
> our
> comments is that the versions shown do have that HDR processed look for
> some of us at least and for me the textures appear overly smoothed as 
> well.
> Your content is invariably strong and most interesting, I only aim to
> comment on the technical application aspects.
>
> Now Doctor Ted will hunt me down and stamp KISS into my forehead again!
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
>
> On 25 April 2012 08:11, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>
>> After it is saved as a raw tiff (Silverfast's term), I import it into 
>> LR4,
>> convert it to a DNG and work on it just like any other raw file.  I 
>> usually
>> start with Auto Tone and sometimes don't need to do anything more. 
>> Lately,
>> I've been playing with Superstition - the trial name for PSCS6.  I was 
>> one
>> of the beta testers and really like what you can do with 
>> Highlight/Shadows
>> to pull details out of the shadows.  I like the look but I'm gathering 
>> from
>> some comments that others don't.  I think Adobe will have made some 
>> changes
>> in PSCS6 by the time it is released, so I may have to learn all of the 
>> new
>> features again.  Nothing that I've done is destructive.  I'm working on
>> copies so the original DNG file hasn't been touched.  The Silverfast
>> software that runs the scanner refers to the program I use as 48 bit HDR
>> Color and I do believe it squeezes every bit of information out of the
>> film.  What you do with all of that information is what makes it look HDR
>> or not.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Tina possibly that may be a clue relating to the impressions of HDR
>> effects
>> > in the versions you are showing us?
>> > "The scanner makes two scans, one for highlights and one for shadows 
>> > and
>> > combines the information in one raw scan."
>> > You might have said before but please refresh me. Which software
>> processes
>> > are you using then?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Geoff
>> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 25 April 2012 06:01, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > None of those.  I'm doing just what you suggest.  The scanner makes 
>> > > two
>> > > scans, one for highlights and one for shadows and combines the
>> > information
>> > > in one raw scan.  All of the information is there in the scan.  I'm
>> just
>> > > experimenting with the new Highlight/Shadow sliders in PSCS6.  I'm 
>> > > also
>> > > doing it in LR4 so none of the changes are destructive.  The original
>> > scans
>> > > are still there for me to interpret any way I decide later.  The only
>> > > problem is that I have hundreds of thousands of scans and not that 
>> > > many
>> > > years left!
>> > >
>> > > Tina
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>> > > rabinergroup.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > So what's going on are you using a double exposure sandwich blend
>> > > > technique?
>> > > > HDR? Third party software?
>> > > >
>> > > > Because its this added stuff which can make up loose our normal
>> > > perspective
>> > > > on our "prints". Makes us get way off balance. So its hard to judge
>> the
>> > > > prints we turn out.
>> > > > I say if that's the case then just make a go of turning out 
>> > > > straight
>> > > prints
>> > > > from the scanner. Just let it multiscan at least 4 times maybe six!
>> > That
>> > > > will get the shadows in there.
>> > > >
>> > > > - - from my iRabs.
>> > > > Mark Rabiner
>> > > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > From: Tina Manley <images at comporium.net>
>> > > > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> > > > > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:41:50 -0400
>> > > > > To: <MUGers at yahoogroups.com>, Leica Users Group <
>> lug at leica-users.org
>> > >,
>> > > > paw
>> > > > > <paw at micapeak.com>, seephoto <seephoto at micapeak.com>
>> > > > > Subject: [Leica] IMG: Work Break
>> > > > >
>> > > > > PESO:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And another one:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://www.pbase.com/image/142858666
>> > > > >
>> > > > > M6, 35/1.4, Kodachrome 64
>> > > > >
>> > > > > C&C greatly appreciated.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Tina
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Tina Manley, ASMP
>> > > > > www.tinamanley.com
>> > > > >
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