Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/04/10

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Subject: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:42:55 -0500
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hmm, I never noticed a problem with my 28 elmarit asph on the M9, but
admittedly, I use it less on the M9 than my 35's than I did on my M8.  I
find it a great lens.  Of course, I am the cropping king, no matter the
lens.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> It's not fall off (that's usually used to describe vignetting) - it's
> a decrease in sharpness.  If you use 400 speed film you won't notice
> it much because the drop is in the 20 and 40 lp/mm range, which films
> like that don't resolve that well anyway.  when assessing performance
> with these kinds of films the 5 and 10 lp/mm performance is most
> informative.  Again, it's part of the reason for differences in
> perceived performance between a very high resolution digital sensor
> and film.
>
> I should also point out that I really like the 28/2.8 asph.
> Discussions of these kinds are relative (as in this lens compared to
> that lens) not absolute (this lens is good, that one is bad).  Lots of
> my favourite photos were taken using lenses that are a lot worse than
> the ones I have now.
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:27 AM,  <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > Hmm, I had not noticed any fall off in the corners when I used the 28
> Elmarit Asph on my M6TTL.  I guess I will have to run another roll through
> it with the 28 on it and see what I get.  Although I use it all the time on
> my M8 and love the results.
> >
> > Gene
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com>
> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:03:36 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
> >
> > The 28 Elmarit 2.8 ASPH appeared to be designed for the M8 not the
> > Summicron - its performance drops in the corners when used wide open
> > on a 24x36mm frame as you can see on the MTF chart linked from here:
> > http://us.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2194.html.  The
> > 28 Summicron is sharp right out to the corners, and has a very flat
> > field.  H. Ball Arche, who used to use a 28 a lot and posted here
> > prolifically, didn't like the flat field because it made heads in the
> > corners of the frame look like footballs - he preferred the C-V 28/1.9
> > which had greater barrel distortion and a less flat field, but less
> > apparent distortion of things like heads in the corners.  A nice
> > display of the compromises optical design includes.
> >
> > The 35 Summicron ASPH was designed during the film era and in some
> > ways doesn't perform as well as the 35 Summilux ASPH II with the
> > floating element, but it's still pretty formidable.  On the M8 I
> > prefer a 28 to a 35, but I think generally I prefer a 28 overall, even
> > if it is the Nikkor 28mm f1.4 which is actually a ~31mm lens.  After
> > Leica revises the 50 Summicron (now the oldest lens in the M line up
> > and the only Summicron without aspherical element(s)) the 35 and 90
> > ASPH Summicrons are probably next, because they are the oldest.
> >
> > Summicron 28 (borrowed, and my, look at that magenta!):
> >
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Freakscene_001/L1002579.jpg.html
> > Nikkor 28:
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Tsukiji/File0825.jpg.html
> >
> > Marty
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> wrote:
> >> Where are you coming from Mark?
> >> Where has it been said that they are lowering quality??
> >> Where is it said that they designed an M lens for smaller than 24mm x
> 36mm???
> >>
> >> I am on record here in saying how good the 28mm Summicron is.....
> >>
> >> All I am saying, and this backed up by users on this list, is that a
> 28mm lens becomes the equivalent of a 35mm on the M8 and that is a more
> used focal length than 28mm is for FF.
> >>
> >> Please read (and understand) what is being said rather than making
> things up.
> >>
> >> john
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> It strike me as phantasmagorical baloney that Leica lowered its
> standards on
> >> edge quality to make the compact Leica 35mm f/2 SUMMICRON-M ASPH ideal
> for
> >> the M8 making it less ideal for the M9. By the way the lens is now being
> >> sold new for just over four grand $.
> >> I don't think Leica has ever made a lens for a crop camera and has
> stated
> >> over and over any lens it ever makes will be fully usable on a film M.
> >> I don't t think anything is going to get it to settle for less than
> >> excellent edge quality for its M glass going straight out to a 43.3mm
> image
> >> crop circle....
> >> The 28 Summicron is  a gem and at the top of my list for my next Leica
> lens.
> >> This lowering of quality thing is a LUG myth which I don't think we're
> going
> >> to find documented elsewise.
> >>
> >>
> >> - - from my iRabs.
> >> Mark Rabiner
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:47:45 +1200
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The world is awash with M9.......
> >>>
> >>> That is more of an M8 staple rather than the 35mm/50mm of the M9.....
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> I have seen more 28 Summicron for sale in the last month than last 2
> years.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Regards,

Sonny
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