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Subject: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim
From: philippe.amard at (philippe.amard)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:38:47 +0100
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Alice is a school inspector here and went on a professional trip to  
Finland this month to discover and marvel on how effective their  
education sytem is - extremely limited drop out rate, happy students  
and teachers, and a definite asset for or stake on the country's  
future. We may have to learn from them, whatever the taxes.

Le 23 mars 12 ? 00:02, Ken Carney a ?crit :

> Not too sure about the free part. According to my BNA country  
> portfolio on Finland, the marginal tax rate (national, local,  
> municipal and church taxes) hits about 50% on income between ?38,000  
> and 66,000 and is over 55% on income in excess of ?66,000. Then  
> there is a VAT. I'm not going to complain on April 15 this year!
> Ken
> On 3/22/2012 2:07 AM, Raimo K wrote:
>> Well, university education is free in Finland (like all other  
>> education as well).
>> The Americans may call it socialism (but it isn't), we call it  
>> equal opportunities.
>> In the future we may have to charge tuition fees from students  
>> outside the EU, though.
>> All the best!
>> Raimo K
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Henning Wulff
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim
>> It's nearly as bad here in Canada. Tuition fees rise well beyond  
>> any concept of inflation. Meanwhile our education minister goes off  
>> to China to promote Canada as a place to come and get educated (for  
>> a price).
>> Meanwhile, in the public schools....
>> We've just legislation from our provincial government denying the  
>> teachers any pay increases for the next while and at the same time  
>> retroactively taking away a number of hard won limits on class  
>> sizes, help for teachers with special needs students and other  
>> advances achieved in the last ten years. The legislation  
>> specifically states this 10 year retroactive roll back.
>> Our premier meanwhile sends her son off to private school. She can  
>> afford it, as the pay raises for all the legislature has been  
>> substantially above the rate of inflation, and about as drastic as  
>> the increase in university fees.
>> On 2012-03-21, at 2:05 PM, scleroplex wrote:
>>> exactly!!
>>> everyone is talking about the rise in healthcare costs.
>>> no one is comparing the rate of rise of higher education costs.
>>> it is 6 times that of health care!
>>> all the universities are raking it in and putting up flashy  
>>> buildings with
>>> gay abandon.
>>> and no one is even looking at abuse of HEFA loans, which is as big a
>>> scandal as mortgage loans if not bigger.
>>> university boards are packed with real estate developers who get  
>>> HEFA loans
>>> from the government and spend the money on construction projects.
>>> a good percentage of the loans are also invested in the capital  
>>> markets by
>>> university endowment funds and multiplied.
>>> essentially rolling cheap tax money.
>>> when there is a profit, the university keeps it.
>>> when there is a loss, it is a public write-off.
>>> nowadays whenever i see students and their parents touring the  
>>> universities
>>> here in boston,
>>> i only think, here are the next lot of mugs!
>>> these are the people who are deliberately left in huge debt,
>>> which they then concentrate on paying off the next 30 years,
>>> with no time for the policing of democracy at the local or  
>>> national level.
>>> bharani
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:07:49 +0530
>>> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Fuji X-Pro1 - Jim
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
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>>> It is still considered a part of the parent's duty to fully  
>>> educate their
>>> offspring here in India (I am talking lower middle class and above  
>>> here).
>>> Of course, there is some self preservation involved, as it is still
>>> considered a part of the offspring's duty to look after the  
>>> parents in
>>> their old age. My parents in law have always stayed with me, and  
>>> my parents
>>> with my brother - and they have done so for the past 20-25 years.  
>>> The old
>>> joint family systems have not noticeably broken down as yet,  
>>> though in
>>> urban India it is starting to happen.
>>> As far as the USA is concerned, it is my considered view that the  
>>> only
>>> bubble that has not collapsed yet is in education - both in terms of
>>> affordability, and the sheer weight of student loan debt that has  
>>> no chance
>>> of being repaid.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
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