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Subject: [Leica] Magnum & the Dying Art of Darkroom Printing
From: tcharara at mac.com (Tarek Charara)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 11:34:08 +0100
References: <CB7DF1E6.1B49F%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Ah, yes? Split grade printing! I have bought a 4x5 coldlight splitgrade 
print head last year. Haven't had time to experiment with it too much. I 
noticed that the setup was pretty good at yielding a regular, non-refined 
print right after mesuring all the highlight & shadow areas. A bit too light 
to my taste, but I'll manage that. Now i have to get used to the dodging and 
burning "new style" (i.e. in two channels) - I'll do that right after I set 
up my darkroom? I still have a few boxes to unpack after the move and next 
exhibition is not before september.

All the best from Paris!

Tarek

-------------------------------------------------
Tarek Charara
<http://www.tarekcharara.com>

NO ARCHIVE




Le 8 mars 2012 ? 11:19, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :

> For me what I'd done last time in a print like years before seemed to come
> back to me. I get a feeling many of my dodges and burns were exactly like
> I'd done the decade before. Ones hands have memory. Like playing the guitar
> or piano.
> But I'm a much much better printer now than I was a decade before.
> And I probably will make a much better print than I'd made various times
> before. So The idea of starting from scratch from a neg and printing it as
> if I've never printed it before has often been an exciting game plan.
> 
> Also my last ten  years of printing I used the two exposure split printing
> method one exposure with the blue high contrast light for the blacks and 
> the
> other exposure with the green low contrast lights light. (then burning with
> one of the other or a mix)
> This entire new approach to printing made me rethink the balance of my
> entire body of work which was mostly black and white and always they'd come
> out way better than before.
> I needed that two color thing right then because I was getting a bit
> frustrated with the limitations of darkroom printing. You could go through
> many sheets of paper and still not really nail it. Better luck next time
> you'd think.
> 
> -- 
> Mark R.
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
> 
> 
>> From: Tarek Charara <tcharara at mac.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:55:40 +0100
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Magnum & the Dying Art of Darkroom Printing
>> 
>> So? I like achieving similar results for a particular print and so I do 
>> note
>> my dodging and burning on my final test prints. I would go crazy if I
>> didn't?Specially when doing limited edition prints and don't do the whole
>> batch at the same time. And IF I change papers, I usually start with the
>> results I noted and go from there. If I want to achieve a different
>> interpretation, I also start from that particular annotated print and try 
>> new
>> stuff? It's not perfect, but sure is better than re-inventing the wheel 
>> every
>> time. And ymmv? 
>> 
>> And as to time spent in the darkroom? 35 years here. But I must be a bit
>> younger? ;)
>> 
>> All the best from Paris!
>> 
>> Tarek
>> 
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Tarek Charara
>> <http://www.tarekcharara.com>
>> 
>> NO ARCHIVE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 8 mars 2012 ? 09:43, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Its just that I've over 4 decades printed and half my friends did the 
>>> same.
>>> As in printed the same neg on different papers different times. Different
>>> sizes for different shows or clients. RC and or Fiber. C print or
>>> Cibachrome.  And had our assistants do It and or a custom printer do it.
>>> Its scintillating horsepucky.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark R.
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Tarek Charara <tcharara at mac.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:12:33 +0100
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Magnum & the Dying Art of Darkroom Printing
>>>> 
>>>> You'd have to make those note at some final stage so that you don't 
>>>> start
>>>> the
>>>> whole trial and error process all over again. years later when you need 
>>>> to
>>>> print again.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best from Paris!
>>>> 
>>>> Tarek
>>>> 
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> Tarek Charara
>>>> <http://www.tarekcharara.com>
>>>> 
>>>> NO ARCHIVE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 8 mars 2012 ? 06:06, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>>> I cant figure out if this is an example of a kind of obsesive 
>>>>> compulsive
>>>>> psychosis or an attempt at humor. There is also a famous one of a head 
>>>>> from
>>>>> Avedon. An image marked up way past any reason or comprehension.
>>>>> I'll tell you what I think it is its drugs in the 80's.
>>>>> But it might be Public relations. Your clients are supposed to think 
>>>>> that
>>>>> even though you  yourself are not making the prints the relation 
>>>>> between
>>>>> you
>>>>> and your assistant or printer is so involved that its worth all the
>>>>> ridiculous money they are paying you for the job and or print.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In reality when you go through sheets and sheets of paper in the 
>>>>> darkroom
>>>>> its a rather organic process of trial and error. And you cant be 
>>>>> reminded
>>>>> of
>>>>> it from a mark up or controlled by someone giving you a marked up thing
>>>>> like
>>>>> that. The printer has to sweat it out themselves. Adams called it a
>>>>> performance of a score. But your head is not buried in the score. You 
>>>>> have
>>>>> to look up from time to time and cue your orchestra.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Mark R.
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/
>>>> 
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