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Subject: [Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D)
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:48:35 -0800
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On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Bill Pearce wrote:

> WHAT? What do you think this list is for?


oh, sorry sir, I guess I got on the wrong list...

I am sorry, I didn't realize that I somehow got on the cement truck list.


Steve







> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Steve Barbour
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:33 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D)
> 
> 
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bill Pearce wrote:
> 
>> It is very difficult to make these sort of generalized predictions. If 
>> they were all true, we would only drive Suburbans. But I hate really big 
>> cars. What to do?
>> 
>> In the last 5 years of testing there have been some unusually surprising 
>> results. Several quite small cars tested at a very high score, and of 
>> course, several big ones didn't do so well. And pickups, a large portion 
>> of what's on the road where I live, will smash anything but isn't 
>> something you want to be in, in a wreck. And further, Driving a Suburban 
>> doesn't do one a bit of good if struck by a semi, so buying a big car 
>> over a small one really doesn't mean a thing; a large sedan over a mini 
>> when hit by a Hummer? Isn?t worth the trouble and gas.
>> 
>> Me? I'm buying a cement truck.
> 
> 
> 
> anybody take any interesting photos this weekend?
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> 
>> Bill Pearce
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Szoboszlai
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 8:40 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D)
>> 
>> According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety:
>> 
>> "The death rate in 1-3-year-old minicars in multiple-vehicle crashes
>> during 2007 was almost twice as high as the rate in very large cars."
>> 
>> It is the same for single-vehicle crashes:
>> 
>> "The death rate per million 1-3-year-old minis [small cars] in
>> single-vehicle crashes during 2007 was 35 compared with 11 per million
>> for very large cars. Even in midsize cars, the death rate in
>> single-vehicle crashes was 17 percent lower than in minicars."
>> 
>> http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr041409.html
>> 
>> Tom Sz.
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at 
>> earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Chris Crawford wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Don't believe everything the government tells you. In 2000, I was 
>>>> driving
>>>> my 1991 Chevy Caprice down West Jefferson Boulevard, Fort Wayne's main
>>>> east-west road. Speed limit on the highway is 50mph, and I was going 
>>>> close
>>>> to that when a woman who was high on pot ran a stop light and pulled 
>>>> into
>>>> an intersection I was passing through. I slammed on my brakes and my car
>>>> crashed directly into the side of her Ford Tempo, a small car. My car
>>>> caved in the side of her car and pushed it 50 feet off the road. My car
>>>> was smashed a bit in the front but was still driveable. I drove it home!
>>> 
>>> A single anecdote no matter how meaningful to you does little to predict 
>>> the outcome of future unknown accidents.  We can't predict with 100% 
>>> accuracy any particular accident, the severity of each one or the 
>>> outcome of any single event but over time by accumulating data from 
>>> numerous incidents patterns can appear.  That's what the NHTSA data is 
>>> supposed to represent.
>>> 
>>> OTOH if your particular driving habits include a greater-than-average 
>>> incidence of crossing intersections when someone else is rolling through 
>>> a stop sign then your anecdote has some value in predicting your future 
>>> accidents.
>>> 
>>> Doug Herr
>>> Birdman of Sacramento
>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Message from billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce) ([Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D))
Message from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D))
Message from billcpearce at cox.net (Bill Pearce) ([Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D))