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Subject: [Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D)
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:33:24 -0800
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On Mar 5, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bill Pearce wrote:

> It is very difficult to make these sort of generalized predictions. If 
> they were all true, we would only drive Suburbans. But I hate really big 
> cars. What to do?
> 
> In the last 5 years of testing there have been some unusually surprising 
> results. Several quite small cars tested at a very high score, and of 
> course, several big ones didn't do so well. And pickups, a large portion 
> of what's on the road where I live, will smash anything but isn't 
> something you want to be in, in a wreck. And further, Driving a Suburban 
> doesn't do one a bit of good if struck by a semi, so buying a big car over 
> a small one really doesn't mean a thing; a large sedan over a mini when 
> hit by a Hummer? Isn?t worth the trouble and gas.
> 
> Me? I'm buying a cement truck.



anybody take any interesting photos this weekend?


Steve


> 
> Bill Pearce
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Szoboszlai
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] crash safety (was Re: S2 vs. 645D)
> 
> According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety:
> 
> "The death rate in 1-3-year-old minicars in multiple-vehicle crashes
> during 2007 was almost twice as high as the rate in very large cars."
> 
> It is the same for single-vehicle crashes:
> 
> "The death rate per million 1-3-year-old minis [small cars] in
> single-vehicle crashes during 2007 was 35 compared with 11 per million
> for very large cars. Even in midsize cars, the death rate in
> single-vehicle crashes was 17 percent lower than in minicars."
> 
> http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr041409.html
> 
> Tom Sz.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Doug Herr <wildlightphoto at 
> earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Chris Crawford wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't believe everything the government tells you. In 2000, I was driving
>>> my 1991 Chevy Caprice down West Jefferson Boulevard, Fort Wayne's main
>>> east-west road. Speed limit on the highway is 50mph, and I was going 
>>> close
>>> to that when a woman who was high on pot ran a stop light and pulled into
>>> an intersection I was passing through. I slammed on my brakes and my car
>>> crashed directly into the side of her Ford Tempo, a small car. My car
>>> caved in the side of her car and pushed it 50 feet off the road. My car
>>> was smashed a bit in the front but was still driveable. I drove it home!
>> 
>> A single anecdote no matter how meaningful to you does little to predict 
>> the outcome of future unknown accidents.  We can't predict with 100% 
>> accuracy any particular accident, the severity of each one or the outcome 
>> of any single event but over time by accumulating data from numerous 
>> incidents patterns can appear.  That's what the NHTSA data is supposed to 
>> represent.
>> 
>> OTOH if your particular driving habits include a greater-than-average 
>> incidence of crossing intersections when someone else is rolling through 
>> a stop sign then your anecdote has some value in predicting your future 
>> accidents.
>> 
>> Doug Herr
>> Birdman of Sacramento
>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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